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They spend more time focusing on EDL matters and don't cover other hate groups.

So in your own words the EDL is a hate group at least you admit it then.

Another biased report from HNH, oh well

How was it biased?

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The grammar in this sentence made my brain bleed.

Yeah I'll admit my grammar sucks it's not the first time it's been said.

In 2001 it was crystal clear what we were there for. And it wasn't oil.

To be honest I think if it was a poor country what had absolutely nothing to offer had been behind the attacks I don't think we would of gone in.

But up until 2010 they were not an oil producing country, so anyway don't really see how that would spark an invasion.

 

The war in Afghanistan was started to eliminate the Taliban in the fallout from 9/11, THAT is a fact, but of course let's not let the actual official reason get in the way of calling Mickey an idiot, eh?

 

To be fair "The Official Reason" and "The Real Reason" may be 2 different things

Ya think? I have to say I think the reaason they've run out of cash and lost most of their councillors and generally got shut down is more of a problem than just a name change can sort out. What griffin did very well was sell the BNP as an alternative to mainstream political parties while underplaying it's links to the national front. That ended up splitting it apart when he got exposed on newsnight while alienating alot of his key support. I'd say they're done as a political force, under any more, and I'm very pleased about that.

But the flipside is the EDL will pick up alot of what the BNP had, so while politics will be a little less repgugnant, the street movement of the far right will pick up some steam.

Of course we've yet to see where the economy goes, and how bad the current crisis is going to become. If it goes as badly as I fear it might, a rise in the EDL and a new version of the BNP is quite plausable, worryingly.

Well maybe not the BNP with a new name but whoever starts up next will get a lot of the old BNP members involved maybe even get Nick Griffin to work with them so it may as well be BNP mark 2.

To be fair MAC, Islam4UK and Al-Muhajiroun are all linked, they get themselves kicked through the Terrorism Act & change up, different name, same people.

But to be fair the EDL BNP and other white racist groups are all linked and now the EDL are classed as a terrorist group if the EDL did get banned they would just restart under a new name.

The BNP is getting closed down soon and I expect them to return with a new name.

Well, not that it matters but the EDL were there before MAC as "a visual deterrent" but were moved on by Police so the MAC could have their protest.

Only because MAC said about a week ago they were going to show up there.

Ah I see, scumbags openly celebrating the deaths of thousands of people at a remembrance service was ok until the EDL turned up and dragged the event down?

 

Look I don't support the EDL being there yesterday, but so called trouble causers or not they didn't sink to the shitty level of those fuckers did.

No it wasn't ok at all the ones doing it are nothing but scum what I said was the EDL been there made a already bad problem even worse.

If the MAC showed up to an EDL protest I'd say exactly the same thing

Yeah, exactly the same as eachother means that one group is classed on their own website as a hate group and has dozens of articles about them and the other, well, not.

 

So yeah according to HNH they might be "exactly the same" but not enough for them to be treated the same, correct?

TBF MAC doesn't cause as much trouble as the EDL anyway if the EDL didn't show up yesterday looking for a fight it would be MAC who would of come off looking much worse.

The EDL only made a bad problem worse.

They are classed as a hate group

MAC-EDL are as bad as each other they are like 2 sewer pipes both full of shit just taking a different route.

Oh look, HNH shifting the focus to suit them as usual

 

Is anyone shocked? I ain't

How is it shifting the shifting the focus to suit them they have condemned both groups.

There's been much written in today's newspapers about the rival clashes between equally obnoxious extremist groups outside of the American Embassy in London yesterday.

 

Muslims Against Crusades (MAC) and the EDL clashed on a number of occasions at separate locations around central London resulting in dozens of arrests.

 

While the MAC were outside of the American embassy in a provocative and tasteless demonstration, a ceremony was taking place to remember the 67 British victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001.

 

Not to be outdone, the EDL turned up swigging cans of lager and shouting racist abuse. This was, apparently, their attempt to restore dignity to the solemnity of the ceremony and to "defend" the memory of those people who died.

 

Hope Not Hate has long said that MAC & EDL are exactly the same disease as each other. We condemn them both. Neither represents either the religions or the flags or the communities who they claim to speak for, represent or defend.

 

What is interesting however, is the claim that two EDL members were stabbed by Muslims. It managed to make quite a few of the reports of the event as the EDL-having further disgraced themselves and their country's national flag-went for some kind of martyrdom of their own, possibly to match even the supposed hunger strike of their mini-Fuhrer Tommy Robinson.

 

The truth however is far more interesting. There would appear to be an actual absence of the two victims. Their stabbings have been reported in newspapers, but apparently not to either the police or indeed, hospitals.

 

The EDL of course, never let truth get in the way of their constant campaign of violence and lies directed against the Muslim community. Serial racist and moron Bill Baker of Essex is already writing that it is now "open season on all Muslims". No doubt that was the real intent behind the news of the mysterious stabbings.

 

The EDL were led in London yesterday by UDA run-away Leon McCreery, the man who once covered his face to threaten to burn down Hope Not Hate's offices.

 

It looks like Leon has had to move to the south of England having upset some members of the Infidels, the EDL break away group. He's just been named by members of the group as their "most wanted".

Credit> http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article...-missing-knives

I wonder if the media not covering MAC or I4UK as much recently is they have realized that the rise of the EDL is in part down to them and they have created a monster they can no longer control so they don't want to throw any more fuel on the all ready out of control fire.

You think so? I believe that there are plenty of EDL members who believe that what they're doing is right as well (in just as twisted a way).

I think some have been brain washed (the same way a lot of MAC have been ) but I think a lot of them are football hooligans who have to find something to do now they've been banned from going to matches.

Hope Not Hate has put stuff up today condemning both the EDL and MAC .

I've seen a lot of Muslim people post that they are embarrassed by and hate MAC as they do not represent the majority of the Muslims it's just like the EDL do not represent the majority of the White English.

I think a difference is for the most part MAC believe in what they are doing is right (in a twisted way) whereas a lot of the EDL just do it for a punch up and in reality don't give a flying fig about England.

Pleasingly, looks like a couple of your lot actually get stabbed yesterday, by muslim youths apparently

http://www.tntmagazine.com/tnt-today/archi...-in-london.aspx

Whether this was the MAC lot or just a couple of normal muslims who rather dislike the "Fuck allah" signs and things like that your lot bring, I have to confess it is good to read that people are actually stabbing you. They lived, unfortunately, but it still seems a good start.

And yes, the MAC lot demanding sharia law and using the day of 9/11 to do it are a bunch of cunts as well, and it's a shame none of those got stabbed.

I think you will get brought up in been happy about them been stabbed as for what I think I'm not saying I'm happy about it but I'm not going to be shedding any tears over it either probably like what happens to a lot of loud mouths sooner or later they opened their gob to the wrong person.

TBH I wouldn't mind if every member of the EDL and MAC as well as any other group like them were shipped off to an deserted island and just let them fight it out between themselves without having to disrupt anybody else's lives

Notice how he had to get an EDL dig in there

 

Besides the point, why are MAC not in the "Hate Groups" section of the website?

Legitimate question

TBF they are both different sides of the same coin so it wasn't that much of a dig really

And I don't know they both should be

Wonder if these chaps will make it into the Hope Not Hate hate group list

 

Doubt it

The URL is not working but from what it says your wrong

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article...st-exploitation

As far as 9/11 goes I suppose the most believable (not saying I do) conspiracy theory is the US government had a tip off it was going to happen but did nothing to stop it.

Again not saying I believe that but I wouldn't be very shocked if it ever officially came out they did know.

Wasn't there also conspiracy theories that the US government knew about Pearl Harbor in advance but did nothing as it was the best way to get the US citizens behind them getting into the war

You seriously comparing the EDL to pedophilia Kiffy lad?...

I agree they are not the same both scum just a different kind of scum and I wouldn't wish to know either.

No need to be aggressive mate, doesn't solve anything

I didn't think the new Fright Night was that good it wasn't crap just not to good either I loved the first 2 hell a few years ago I even paid 40 odd quid to get Part 2 on R1 DVD (though that's not to bad I've seen it go for as much as

Just watched Final Destination 5 and I quite liked it but didn't see the twist coming