Keelan

double post.

His recent speech oh wait, at the Fabian Society talked about "a fair world for all" under a world system of Banking and hinted at the same thing for climate change

 

What a cunt! Wanting a fair world for all and an easier, more streamlined banking system and for everyone to work towards dealing with climate change together. He should be strung up.

This is the man that gave the control of interest rates to the bank of enlgand.

When you find out he is Fabian then the term "a fair world for all" reeks of communism.

When the banking crash was caused by the very people calling for a more "streamlined banking system" then its very suspect.

Stop playing devils advocate, going out of your way to hang on the politcians every word.

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There is no piece of paper that says "my name is bob and tomorrow is world domination day". We can deduce by their actions, ideologies and writings as to what their agendas are.

So what you're actually making is an assumption. You've connected a few dots here and there, and from that you've drawn the conclusion that this group is planning on being the NWO.

 

Explain to me how an assumption is "the truth", because as you readily admitted, you have no hard proof.

In a court of law you don't need a paper confession by a killer to charge them for murder.

There is more than enough circumstantial evidence to come to a reasonable conclusion that many of these people want a one world order. From their speeches, writings, actions, associations, whistleblowers and the fact that we ARE moving in to more of a united world. The motive can simply be described as enjoying the benefits of more moneyand more power.

we need to say no anything in the realm of body scanners, microchips and further surveillance

Wouod you care to explain to us as to why?

Go back and read the Michael Chertoff stuff.

But I think it's blindigly obvious - where does the sruveallince stop exactly? We can't really go much further. Why would anyone want to go through all that hassle at the airport nowadays?

If you're trying to deny that people's privacy is a real and topical issue then don't bother.

we need to say no anything in the realm of body scanners, microchips and further surveillance

Wouod you care to explain to us as to why?

Go back and read the Michael Chertoff stuff.

But I think it's blindigly obvious - where does the sruveallince stop exactly? We can't really go much further. Why would anyone want to go through all that hassle at the airport nowadays?

If you're trying to deny that people's privacy is a real and topical issue then don't bother.

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How can we stop the NWO, Keelan?

Stop voting in the same crooks with the same alliances

dissolve the world bank, imf, federal reserve, bank of england etc and go back to a currency actually backed by something of value

too big to fails should fail the freemarket way

we need to say no anything in the realm of body scanners, microchips and further surveillance

leave the EU and go back to simple trade agreements

reassess the way Africa and it's resources and industrialization is being handled.

imprison the real culprits of 9/11 whether complicit or deliberately ignorant

make it illegal and enforceable for officials/bankers/businessmen to meet under chatham house rules

dissolve the monopoly over media, make it illegal for the military or the government to own media, have an independent media regulation body to ensure accuracy and integrity.

The list could go on. I think these would help.

The mind of a conspiracy bufoon. It's probably the greatest place to be delusional as no matter what anyone says or how many people laugh in their faces and hope they are sterilised to wipe their seed from this earth they just play the "I know better" card, it doesn't matter how utterly retarded what they think, and how invalid their opinions are they just keep going.

 

Kudos sir, you've brightened up a day in my Jew run world.

Again putting words in my mouth while not adding anything to the debate.

I don't for one minute think Jews run the world. And if anyone remotely Jewish did run the world the correct term would be Zionist. There are anti-zionist jews.

edite: double post again.

I will clear my cache etc.

Browser double post - delete

I've even got a T-Shirt, if they want me to join some kind of Street Team.

I will join with you. I have a nice trucker cap and beach towel i could bring with me?

 

You're from Aberdeen?

Heard of the pedophile ring that abused a downs syndrome girl Hollie Greig, that has ties to the top levels of the Scottish establishment? No? Perhaps you should turn off the football and start calling out your Lord Advocate.

You mean the paedophile ring that was led by her own father? What of it?

That's the one. It's encouraging to see you do know about it.

These corrupt f-ers managed to get in to power and gag most of the media.

You need no help in this department. Obviously. You can't even spell it properly though.

Another waste of a comment that adds nothing to the debate. A common occurrence when you're failing to find a comeback.

Yup. Amazing eh?

Amazing no, interesting yes. Makes you question where people's loyalties are.

No they don't.

Yes they do. That's why the the term "the Israel lobby" exists. Read a foreign affairs journal or something. If you prefer TV, it was only a few weeks ago that the BBC (not exactly a beacon of truth) but still, they did a documentary on it. What do you think is going on with Iran right now?

No, it's just delusional.

No it's realistic.

No he didn't, he picked up where the facts ran out and the conspiracy theories started.

6 out of 10 of the official 9/11 Commissioners admit the truth wasn't told. Over 1,000 Architects and Engineers believe the structures could not have fallen the way NIST and the commission have said. There are tonnes of whistle-blowers that have revealed prior knowledge of the attacks...

No it wasn't.

So you don't think it would be a good idea for the mainstream media to follow up on the topics brought up in the film and interview the various whistle-blowers, eye witnesses and so on, when some polls say 50% + of American's don't believe the official story?

At least we agree on that.

Another pointless comment

And for the record I don't agree on that.

The unpalatable truth is that one of the two following scenarios is correct.

The unpalatable truth? ohhh lets hear it.

1) Everyone else in the world is less bright than you are, somehow brainwashed, and unable to see the truth about the world.

Plenty of people entertain the information that I do. The idea that it is a fringe no longer cuts it. Some may focus on the economics side, the flawed banking system etc. Some may stick with corruption in the government. Others may follow 9/11 closely. But it's no longer a fringe belief. Ron Paul holds very similar views to me. I hope to god he becomes president some day. Jesse Ventura's show gets better ratings than Impact. Russia Today regularly covers 9/11 and other corruption. Whether this is just supply and demand or them deciding to do their jobs is debatable, but it shows lots of people think this way.

At the same time, thousands of people are willingly taking part in a massive global conspiracy that murders their own countrymen alongside others and managing at the same time to do their normal jobs. Everyone who works for mainstream media, regardless of their background or political beliefs, are also willingly indulging in this enormously complicated, wide-ranging and yet somehow secret plot

Wrong again. The bank clerk who takes the old lady's money and puts it an account thinks he's helping her save her money. He doesn't know he's holding up a multi-national banking cartel based on flawed mathematics.

The news anchor reading their teleprompter doesn't know that the research behind the script isn't as sound as it should be, and might be deceptive or outright propaganda.

Thousands of people die based on lies all the time, it's called WAR. Those pesky WMDs. That pesky Bin Laden. Speaking of war, have you ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin incident? The sinking of the Lusitania? Pearl Harbor? All contrived events with prior knowledge and/or direct help from officials. False Flag terror is a concept in army field manuals. And what about all the chmeical testing soldiers have had to endure over the years? Such caring people our leaders.

When people say 9/11 was an inside job, it doesn't mean Bush got in the plane. Turning a blind eye or helping to groom extremists is just as much an inside job. it was more likely a military intelligence operation.

Look at people's reactions to what you post. Are they scared, angry, frightened? No. They are laughing at you. You are an object of pity. Doesn't that register as a problem? If your arguments were so solid, wouldn't they carry some weight rather than elicit laughter?

They carry lots of weight, you're refusing to debate me.

You need no help in this department. Obviously. You can't even spell it properly though.

Another waste of a comment that adds nothing to the debate. A common occurrence when you're failing to find a comeback.

Yup. Amazing eh?

Amazing no, interesting yes. Makes you question where people's loyalties are.

No they don't.

Yes they do. That's why the the term "the Israel lobby" exists. Read a foreign affairs journal or something. If you prefer TV, it was only a few weeks ago that the BBC (not exactly a beacon of truth) but still, they did a documentary on it. What do you think is going on with Iran right now?

No, it's just delusional.

No it's realistic.

No he didn't, he picked up where the facts ran out and the conspiracy theories started.

6 out of 10 of the official 9/11 Commissioners admit the truth wasn't told. Over 1,000 Architects and Engineers believe the structures could not have fallen the way NIST and the commission have said. There are tonnes of whistle-blowers that have revealed prior knowledge of the attacks...

No it wasn't.

So you don't think it would be a good idea for the mainstream media to follow up on the topics brought up in the film and interview the various whistle-blowers, eye witnesses and so on, when some polls say 50% + of American's don't believe the official story?

At least we agree on that.

Another pointless comment

And for the record I don't agree on that.

The unpalatable truth is that one of the two following scenarios is correct.

The unpalatable truth? ohhh lets hear it.

1) Everyone else in the world is less bright than you are, somehow brainwashed, and unable to see the truth about the world.

Plenty of people entertain the information that I do. The idea that it is a fringe no longer cuts it. Some may focus on the economics side, the flawed banking system etc. Some may stick with corruption in the government. Others may follow 9/11 closely. But it's no longer a fringe belief. Ron Paul holds very similar views to me. I hope to god he becomes president some day. Jesse Ventura's show gets better ratings than Impact. Russia Today regularly covers 9/11 and other corruption. Whether this is just supply and demand or them deciding to do their jobs is debatable, but it shows lots of people think this way.

At the same time, thousands of people are willingly taking part in a massive global conspiracy that murders their own countrymen alongside others and managing at the same time to do their normal jobs. Everyone who works for mainstream media, regardless of their background or political beliefs, are also willingly indulging in this enormously complicated, wide-ranging and yet somehow secret plot

Wrong again. The bank clerk who takes the old lady's money and puts it an account thinks he's helping her save her money. He doesn't know he's holding up a multi-national banking cartel based on flawed mathematics.

The news anchor reading their teleprompter doesn't know that the research behind the script isn't as sound as it should be, and might be deceptive or outright propaganda.

Thousands of people die based on lies all the time, it's called WAR. Those pesky WMDs. That pesky Bin Laden. Speaking of war, have you ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin incident? The sinking of the Lusitania? Pearl Harbor? All contrived events with prior knowledge and/or direct help from officials. False Flag terror is a concept in army field manuals. And what about all the chmeical testing soldiers have had to endure over the years? Such caring people our leaders.

When people say 9/11 was an inside job, it doesn't mean Bush got in the plane. Turning a blind eye or helping to groom extremists is just as much an inside job. it was more likely a military intelligence operation.

Look at people's reactions to what you post. Are they scared, angry, frightened? No. They are laughing at you. You are an object of pity. Doesn't that register as a problem? If your arguments were so solid, wouldn't they carry some weight rather than elicit laughter?

They carry lots of weight, you're refusing to debate me.

I've even got a T-Shirt, if they want me to join some kind of Street Team.

I will join with you. I have a nice trucker cap and beach towel i could bring with me?

You're from Aberdeen?

Heard of the pedophile ring that abused a downs syndrome girl Hollie Greig, that has ties to the top levels of the Scottish establishment? No? Perhaps you should turn off the football and start calling out your Lord Advocate.

One thing I've never quite gotten....Surely the smart money's on siding with this 'New World Order' rather than being one of the loons that decided to take it on (and you have to admit Keelan, more loons subscribe to theories such as yours than sane, balanced people). If you're wrong it means you're a nutter, if you're right it means they could be coming for you at any moment.

I for one welcome this New World Order, and wonder if you know where to contact them, I'm quite interested in doing some flyering for them.

Well some people prefer not to bow to tyranny.

if you're right it means they could be coming for you at any moment

Does it? It's not quite that simple. They already have a grip over out economy and the EU is racing ahead. They won't necessarily be barging through people's doors with guns. I'm not naive nor deluded in that respect. They are not after me, I know that.

I for one welcome this New World Order, and wonder if you know where to contact them, I'm quite interested in doing some flyering for them.

Well going to Yale University to do political science or economics should get you half way there. You could always join the green movement and run around screaming save the polar bears. That seems to be doing a good job of getting people to accept the ludicrous idea of taxing a life giving gas.

Again, who's mentally ill here?

 

Blood out of a stone...

I find it typical that although I haven't mentioned Lizards, 2012 or any other "out there" shit, you still bring them up as a way to make me sound like a kook. "He thinks there's a conspiracy therefore he must believe in all conspiracies". We go from mentioning the Bilderberg group, to "he must be mentally ill". You must be mentally ill if you can't see that a group set up by a Nazi and a one worlder that meets in secret with US and EU powers in Banking, Business and politics ISN'T doing something untoward or at the very least undemocratic! In fact in many countries it is illegal for such a meeting to take place! But no I'm mentally ill and need to be rounded up.

I'm posting information about REAL people, REAL organizations, and REAL ideologies that are there in plain English. It was only the other week that unelected Fabian-Socialist Bilderberger Gordon Brown called for a New World Order. His recent speech oh wait, at the Fabian Society talked about "a fair world for all" under a world system of Banking and hinted at the same thing for climate change......Yet when I say New World Order I'm mentally ill.

Gotta get that antisemitism in there too, eh? Some things never change. You'll be quoting The Protocols of the Elders of Zion next.

Again, who's mentally ill here?

You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Geo-politics and the Israel lobby. Ever heard of Labour Friends of Israel?

Israel has a HUGE hand in US and UK foreign policy. It's not Anti-Semitic to point that out, it's a fact.

It's not anti-Jewish. The Jewish kid down the road obviously has no hand in world politics. But what it is is criminals like Michael Chertoff, dual Israeli-US citizenship.

You know the guy that did all the media rounds before and after the attempted Detroit Bombing calling for the full naked body scanners that break child porn laws and potentially cause radiation for frequent fliers? Just so happens his private security consulting company that makes money out of assessing terrorist threats already had the naked body scanner firm as a client. He has a financial incentive in over-hyping the terrorist threat and getting naked body scanners in. Nice chap eh?

As "Loose Change" was brought up, I'll tell my favourite anecdote about it. There was a BBC documentary about 9/11 and the conspiracy theories behind it a few years ago (still available from a torrent site near you, should you be interested). At one point they interviewed the chap who made Loose Change about a comment "Popular Mechanics" magazine had made about the way the plane worked. He said "Popular Mechanics knows about farm machinery, they should shut the hell up and stick to talking about what they know". The irony of a man who knew absolutely nothing about buildings, architecture, materials, planes, the way they flew, the properties of their fuel, or indeed anything else, mocking someone for their lack of knowledge on the subject appeared to be entirely lost on him.

You mean the same BBC that just did a Detroit Bombing documentary that failed to even mention that US officials let Mutallab on the plane as revealed by Patrick Kennedy at the house of homeland security committee? The documentary that failed to interview key eyewitnesses that saw and heard a well dressed man escort Mutallab on to the plane without a passport because I quote "we do this all the time". The same BBC that made no mention of another "suit" filming the entire event while on the plane?

The same BBC that Bullshits about the Iran nuclear threat.....du dud du dung "today on the news, is Iran one step closer to a nuclear bomb?"

You need 80+ % enrichment of uranium to build a nuclear weapon, Iran has 20%

And have broken no international rules on the matter.

I remember seeing that and laughing my arse off. Dylan Avery is an utter tool.

No Dylan Avery is not a tool he was a young man that made a documentary asking a series of very important questions about the official story of 9/11, which 6 of the 10 members of the 9/11 Commission admit was not the truth.

Was Dylan 100% correct? No, but did he pick up the investigation where the officials tasked to do so ignored, yes!

This video of Dylan being interviewed by ABC should be very enlightening as to how the mainstream media have no interest in the truth:

A room full of whistle-blowers, eye witnesses, first responders, investigators and so on, and the mainstream media simply try to soundbite these guys.

Polls suggest 36% up to 50+ % of Americans believe they weren't told the truth about 9/11. In a democratic country that should be enough to warrant a re-investigation.

But I guess half of Americans are just mentally ill.

I'm not into all the crazy stuff. I watched the Obama Deception. Some of it is good and right on. Obama used the rhetoric of change whilst preserving the status quo. American politics is about money and organisation. Obama's campaign got on the rails when he convinced the money people that he was their man and that goes back to... Reagan? In both the UK and the US, there was a point where the solidarity of working class was undermined. Unions lost money and power and thus the business world won the money battle. Since then, every government has been at least centre-right and always pro-business. How did New Labour get into power? Gordon Brown sold big business on the idea that they were better for business. Obama and Clinton did the same in the US. I don't think it makes me a loony to believe that.

 

They still have to rely on the people to vote for them. However, as the pop career of Cheryl Cole proves, smart PR can get you a long way.

I couldn't agree more.

But generally what I'm saying just goes a bit deeper and ties all these people together, instead of looking at it from the superficial front view.

Obama is CFR and rumored Bilderberg

Gordon Brown is a Fabian and Bilderberg

Bill Clinton was CFR and Bilderberg

All are globalists

All are tied to big business and banking

All were/are pro war

And all have called for a New World Order.

They don't all have to be shaking hands backstage if you will, but collectively they have the same ideologies

Because they're either not true, or the website has distorted the truth to make them sound sinister.

 

What good can come of an implantable microchip?

 

Well, there's a host of medical applications for starters.

They always give you the reasonable uses.

Making sure you take your pills, stopping Alzheimer patients going missing, protecting kids.

But imagine how it could be abused. Are government already has a love affair with databases.

And lets not forget, 9 times out of 10 the big companies behind the chips aren't going to care what they are used for as long as they sell them and make a profit.

Because they're either not true, or the website has distorted the truth to make them sound sinister.

Or you don't know if they're true because you haven't looked and you don't want to accept that some people have sinister motives.

What good can come of an implantable microchip?

The credit card didn't exactly go down too well in the end. Imagine when YOU become the credit card.

I'm trying to go from the start,

So who founded the Bilderberg Group?

But why does that matter? None of that matters. You need to show direct evidence. Not just "oh these powerful men get together at these meetings therefore evil things are taking place".

There is no piece of paper that says "my name is bob and tomorrow is world domination day". We can deduce by their actions, ideologies and writings as to what their agendas are.

So back to the start, we've established that Bilderberg exists.

Ok so who founded it?

Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, a member of the Nazi party. A nice founding ideology there.

He once stated, "It is difficult to reeducate the people who have been brought up on nationalism to the idea of relinquishing part of their sovereignty to a supernational body...."

And the other founder was Joseph Retinger who had previously created the American Committee on a United Europe along with future CIA Director and CFR member Allen Dulles, then CFR Director George Franklin, CIA official Thomas Braden, and William Donovan, former chief of the Office of Strategic Services fOSSi, forerunner of the CIA. Donovan was initially an agent for banking elite JP. Morgan.

I feel all warm and fuzzy.

George McGhee, a Bilderberger and former U.S. ambassador to West Germany, acknowledged that "the Treaty of Rome, which brought the [European] Common Market into being, was nurtured at Bilderberg meetings."

I'm looking at the website Keelan has in his sig. It's hilarious.

"Microchipping Man

Ok so we'll start with Bilderberg. Do you deny this organization exists? I don't think you do. But if you did you'd be a liar.

I know I'm wasting my time here, but just because they exist doesn't mean that your arguments <x>, <y>, and <z> are all suddenly true.

 

Conspiracy theorists always argue along the lines of:

 

Socrates is a man

All men are mortal

All men are Socrates

 

Which proves NOTHING.

I'm trying to go from the start,

So who founded the Bilderberg Group?

No, but its also kind of obvious that bankers would be running the banking system and that goverment leaders would make the decisions on policy. Despite what they think the taxi drivers really dont run it all.

Well that's my point. This is basic logic.

The next step is to deduce whether these groups can be trusted to run the world for us.

The top level banking and business families have been crooks since the start.

The whole banking system developed when corrupt goldsmiths decided they would lend out more notes than they had in physical gold.

Now today's monetary system isn't backed by anything but public perception, and they can lend around 10 times more than they have in deposits. So the very nature of loans and interest is set up to fail. How can you demand back more money than is available? And if you default on that payment they might get your house which is a tangible asset.