Paid Members gadge Posted February 2, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 2, 2009 I'd be interested to see your all time top 20. No pressure or anything  I've seen both Japan shows from this year and have not much to say. The first show had a dead quiet crowd even by the standards of the first tour, and on the second night I was disappointed a bit by the much hyped KENTA and Kota Ibushi vs Marufuji and Nakajima match. I did enjoy Danielson winning the GHC Jr. title, and for me El Generico was the star of the tour with the winning fall in an otherwise all-DG six man on night 1, and having a very fun match with Taiji Ishimori on night 2. I might do a review of the Driven PPV I watched yesterday, but I'm not doing it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 <-- click on 'spoiler' to show/hide the spoiler Finally, the Bobby Dempsey thing has progressed and moved along. I'm astounded at how long they kept this going, I was honestly finding the endless, repetitive segments, on the video wire and the backstage skits, so tedious. I was never even in to it in the first place due to how over zealous it was. It could have done with a lot more subtlety. On top of that, it was incredibly similar, in that regard, to the Jade Cheung and Prince Na Na situation. Bet even that lasted about a third of the time this was stretched out to! Â Anyway, good news is that its finally moved on. Â [close spoiler] ");document.close(); Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dearly Devoted Dexter Posted February 2, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I'd be interested to see your all time top 20. No pressure or anything  If I get some free time this week I'll have a bash at listing them  Maybe I was a tad harsh on DBD 6, I think that review generally reflects my disillusionment with ROH at the moment. I actually bore myself slagging off the same old things in the reviews, never mind the reader, but...what else can you do? Not say anything I suppose  That Albright/ Pearce match was a blinder though. I nearly fell out of bed watching it - the disbelief!!!! Edited February 2, 2009 by Dearly Devoted Dexter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gadge Posted February 2, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 2, 2009 Watching ROH in bed can be dangerouzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corino_mark Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 bobby snapped it bout time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dearly Devoted Dexter Posted February 2, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 2, 2009 Watching ROH in bed can be dangerouzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  ZING! "Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dearly Devoted Dexter Posted February 2, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 2, 2009 Ok, off the top of my head here's my 20 fave ROH shows in no particular order. As I said, its a bit cobbled together, and I daresay over the course of debate some will get nixed and others added. But it's a start right? Â 20 ROH Shows You Must Own!! Â Glory By Honor 4 Joe vs Kobashi Manhatten Mayhem All Star Extravaganza War of the Wire Glory By Honor 3 Weekend of Thunder Night 1 Hell Freezes Over Unified Glory by Honor 5 Night 2 Final Battle 2005 Supercard of Honor Death Before Dishonor 4 Battle of the Icons Fifth Year Festival - New York Race to the Top Night 2 Supercard of Honor II Driven 2007 Man Up! 6th Year Anniversary Show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gadge Posted February 2, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 2, 2009 Ok, off the top of my head here's my 20 fave ROH shows in no particular order. As I said, its a bit cobbled together, and I daresay over the course of debate some will get nixed and others added. But it's a start right?  20 ROH Shows You Must Own!!  Glory By Honor 4 Joe vs Kobashi Manhatten Mayhem All Star Extravaganza War of the Wire Glory By Honor 3 Weekend of Thunder Night 1 Hell Freezes Over Unified Glory by Honor 5 Night 2 Final Battle 2005 Supercard of Honor Death Before Dishonor 4 Battle of the Icons Fifth Year Festival - New York Race to the Top Night 2 Supercard of Honor II Driven 2007 Man Up! 6th Year Anniversary Show  The three I've highlighted immediately jump out at me as not that good shows. Possibly Weekend of Thunder Night 1 as well. GBH3 especially baffles me, the only thing I really remember thinking was great was the amazing timing of Homicide's entrance almost as soon as Corino's appearance had sunk in with the people there.  The original Death Before Dishonor, and the middle show from the Third Anniversary Celebration (Night 2, with Spanky/Gibson, Cabana/Nigel, Punk/Shelley, Joe and Danielson/Aries and Evans, and even the Styles/Rave main and Maff and Whitmer/Delirious and Jacobs tag title match providing goodness) are ones I'd have in my list. I have a bias towards Manhattan Mayhem II, which would put it in my list too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dearly Devoted Dexter Posted February 3, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Been a while since I watched GB3, so I may be mistaken about that. I vaguely remember it being a good show, I'll try and dig the disk out. Â Battle of The Icons and FYF:NYC I'm willing to defend though. Aside from the main event, every match on BOTI was good. Brutal I Quit match between Rave & Nigel, good Last Man Standing between Jacobs and Whitmer, a cracking tag bout between the Pitbulls and Briscoes, decent 3 way dance, AWESOME 6 man tag... great show! Â As for FYF New York, again, the main event was wank, but the rest of the card was really good. Gen Next spiltting (little did we know that be the highlight of the angle right there), Samoa Joe vs Morishima, Xaviers' one night return...Great stuff!! Â I always thought the original DBD was overated to be honest. My mate got real excited about the fact Jeff Hardy had been booked beforehand, and I told him it would turn out to be a disaster (which it did). The main event was ok, but nothing amazing. There were a couple of good matches - the 4CS, Punk vs Raven..again, I was never that impressed with the Briscoes vs AJ/ Red feud. To be honest I thought the match they had at The Epic Encounter was better than the DBD match...I can see why it's hailed as a classic show, but didn't do much for me. Â Can't remember much about TAC : Night 2, except that McGuinness and Cabana had a really good WOS style match...incidentally that was McGuinness' break out match in ROH, and not the Homicide match at MER, as is commonly supposed. Â Manhatten Mayhem 2...fuck my memories' rotten. I'm sure I wrote a review of it - I'll to dig it out and see whether I enjoyed the show or not!!! Edited February 3, 2009 by Dearly Devoted Dexter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gadge Posted February 3, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 From Page 96 my bias is because I was there... Â Manhattan Mayhem 2 - 25/8/07Â Â Show opens with B.J. Whitmer shaving Shane Hagadorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gadge Posted February 3, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) All Star Extravaganza - Nov 2002 War of the Wire - Nov 2003 Glory By Honor 3 - Sept 2004 Weekend of Thunder Night 1 - Nov 2004 Manhatten Mayhem - May 2005 Glory By Honor 4 - Sept 2005 Joe vs Kobashi - Oct 2005 Final Battle 2005 - Dec 2005 Hell Freezes Over - Jan 2006 Supercard of Honor - Mar 2006 Death Before Dishonor 4 - Jul 2006 Unified - Aug 2006 Glory by Honor 5 Night 2 - Sept 2006 Battle of the Icons - Jan 2007 Fifth Year Festival - New York - Feb 2007 Supercard of Honor II - Mar 2007 Driven 2007 - June 2007 Race to the Top Night 2 - Jul 2007 Man Up! - Sept 2007 6th Year Anniversary Show - Feb 2008 Â Â I've put the list into chronological order. Because I'm a geek. Also, if the list is subject to debate, it makes it easier to keep track of what's in and what isn't. Anyone other than myself and DDD got any thoughts? Shows we've forgotten, etc? Â In terms of hyped shows, I remember really liking Reborn: Stage 2 - but I'm not sure that it'd be that good if I watched it back now. It had Punk and Cabana defeating the Briscoes (with no commentary) in the main event, plus the first Danielson vs Homicide match, and Nigel vs Rave vs Romero vs Aries, from way back before GenNext had even formed. Then there's the GenNext show itself... in fact, I remember really liking plenty of the big shows from '04. Not sure if the entire cards would be up to par now, though... Edited February 3, 2009 by gadgetboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dearly Devoted Dexter Posted February 3, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Apparently I enjoyed Manhatten Mayhem 2! Substitue that for Glory by Honor 3 then in the list.  I'm trying to compile a list of my favourite 150 ROH matches - another fanboy list for people to chew over. Might take a while though  According to something I read today the Dragon Gate boys won't be coming over for Wrestlemania weekend, on the grounds that Pearce doesn't get on with the Dragon Gate office apparently. I'm sure I;ve said this before, but ROH seems to parraleling ECW in the sense by the time ECW started growing in terms of PPV, TV and running more markets, creatively they were a spent force. A quote from Raven keeps pooping into my mind when I think about this TV deal - referring to the TNN deal : "Paul E used to complain that the network were fucking him around with scheduling. It didn't matter what time the show was on, the storylines sucked." [ie people weren't watching because the product was crap].  Fast forward to ROH's 2009 TV deal...the product's on its arse at the moment, doesn't look like picking up any time soon - this really is the worse timing for a TV deal.  One last thing - Bison Smith - just a big guy, nothing special. Sorry gents - he just 'aint got it. Edited February 3, 2009 by Dearly Devoted Dexter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotlightmagnet1 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I've just watched the latest video wire and can i ask a serious question? Â Is Nigel's hair retreating from his ears? Those spikes seemed to be balancing right on the crown of his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dearly Devoted Dexter Posted February 6, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) I was originally going to pick the best 150 ROH matches in the company's history, up to DBD 6 which is the point I've reached in my viewing. I ended up picking 130. And in chronological order, here they are :  *Note - edited to take into account some that I missed that gagetboy pointed out  ROH - 130 Matches to See  Lo-Ki vs American Dragon vs Chris Daniels (Era of Honor) Lo-Ki vs American Dragon (RRC) Mark Briscoe vs Jay Briscoe (Honor Invades Boston) Paul London vs Michael Shane (Unscripted) Lo-Ki vs Samoa Joe (GBH) AJ Styles vs American Dragon (All Star Extravaganza) Doug Williams vs American Dragon (Scramble Madness) Paul London vs Lo-Ki vs AJ Styles (1st Year Anniversary) CM Punk & Ace Steel vs Colt Cabana & Raven (Night of the Champions) Chris Daniels vs Doug Williams (Night of the Champions) Paul London vs American Dragon - 2/3 Falls (Epic Encounter) CM Punk vs Homicide (RRC 2) Lo-Ki vs Flash Barker (Frontiers of Honor) Samoa Joe vs Zebra Kid (Frontiers of Honor) Paul London vs AJ Styles (Night of the Grudges) CM Punk vs Raven - Dog Collar (DBD) Steve Corino vs Homicide (Bitter Friends) Jay Briscoe vs AJ Styles vs Chris Sabin vs Samoa Joe (Beating the Odds) Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels (GBH 2) AJ Styles vs Colt Cabana vs Matt Stryker vs Chris Sabin (GBH 2) AJ Styles vs CM Punk (Tradition Continues) AJ Styles vs American Dragon (MES) Scramble Cage (MES) AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe (WOTW) Steve Corino vs Homicide - Barbed Wire Match (WOTW) John Walters vs Xavier - Fight Without Honor (FB 03) Ace Steel, CM Punk & Colt Cabana vs Chris Daniels, Dan Maff & B.J. Whitmer (Battle Lines) American Dragon vs CM Punk (Reborn Night 1) American Dragon vs Homicide (Reborn Night 2) Aries, Strong, Evans & Shelley vs Walters, The Briscoes & Jimmy Rave (Gen Next) Samoa Joe vs Homicide (Gen Next) Samoa Joe vs CM Punk (World Title Classic) SOFT Match (SOTF 04) Briscoes vs Colt Cabana & CM Punk (DBD2 Part 1) CM Punk & Ace Steel vs Dan Maff & B.J. Whitmer - Chicago Street Fight (DBD2 Part 2) Samoa Joe vs American Dragon (MEX) Samoa Joe vs CM Punk (Joe vs Punk 2) Roderick Strong & Jack Evans vs Homicide & Rocky Romero (Joe vs Punk 2) Jushin Liger vs American Dragon (WOT Night 1) Austin Aries & Roderick Strong vs CM Punk & Ace Steel (WOT Night 2) Austin Aries vs Lo-Ki (ASE 2) Samoa Joe vs CM Punk (ASE 2) Austin Aries vs Samoa Joe (FB04) Austin Aries vs Colt Cabana - Steel Cage (3AC Part1) Colt Cabana vs Nigel McGuinness (3AC Part2) Samoa Joe vs Jay Lethal (MM) B.J. Whitmer & Jimmy Jacobs vs Roderick Strong & Jack Evans (MM) Austin Aries vs James Gibson (Final Showdown) CM Punk vs Roderick Strong (New Frontiers) CM Punk vs Austin Aries (DBD 3) CM Punk vs Jay Lethal (Sign of Dishonor) Roderick Strong vs Matt Hardy (Punk: The Final Chapter) CM Punk vs Colt Cabana - 2/3 Falls (Punk: The Final Chapter) Colt Cabana vs Nigel McGuinness ( Night of the Grudges) James Gibson vs Colt Cabana (Dragon Gate Invasion) Lo-Ki vs Jay Lethal - Fight Without Honor (GB4) Nigel McGuiness vs Roderick Strong (GBH4) Brian Danielson vs James Gibson (GBH4) Kenta Kobashi vs Samoa Joe (JVK) Kenta Kobashi & Homicide vs Lo-kI & Samoa Joe (Unforgettable) Lo-Ki vs Colt Cabana (Buffalo Stampede) Alex Shelley vs Claudio Castagnoli (This Mean War) Brian Danielson vs Roderick Strong (Vendetta) Brian Danielson vs Naomichi Marufuji (FB 05) Lo-Ki vs KENTA (FB05) AJ Styles vs Matt Sydal (Hell Freezes Over) Chris Hero vs Brian Danielson (Hell Freezes Over) AJ Styles vs Brian Danielson (Dissension) Austin Aries vs Nigel McGuinness (Unscripted 2) Brian Danielson vs Roderick Strong (Supercard of Honor) Blood Generation vs Do Fixer (Supercard of Honor) Colt Cabana vs Homicide (Better Than Our Best) CZW vs ROH Six Man Tag (100th Show) Brian Danielson vs Colt Cabana (Chi Town Struggle) Cage of Death (DBD4) B.J. Whitmer vs Necro Butcher - No Rope Barbed Wire (WOTW2) Nigel McGuinness vs Delirious (TTMU) Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles (TTMU) Austin Aries and Roderick Strong vs The Briscoes (Unified) Nigel McGuinness vs Brian Danielson (Unified) Briscoes vs Matt Sydal & Davey Richards (AITUK) Kings of Wrestling vs Aries & Strong (GBH5 Night5 2) Nigel McGuinness vs Naomichi Marufuji (GBH5 Night 2) Brian Danielson vs KENTA (GHB5 Night 2) Chris Daniels & Matt Sydal vs CIMA & Shingo (International Challenge) Homicide vs Brain Danielson (Final Battle 2006) CIMA, Shingo & Matt Sydal vs Austin Aries, Roderick Strong & Delirious (Final Battle 2006) Briscoes vs Rocky Romero/ Ricky Reyes (Battle of the Icons) Jimmy Rave vs Nigel McGuinness - I Quit (Battle of the Icons) Samoa Joe vs Takeshi Morishima (FYF: NY) Austin Aries & Roderick Strong vs Chris Daniels & Matt Sydal (FYF: NY) Takeshi Morishima vs Homicide (FYF: Philly) Colt Cabana vs Jimmy Jacobs - Windy City Death Match (FYF: Chicago) Naruki Doi & Shingo vs Briscoes (FYF: Liverpool) Matt Sydal vs Delirious - 2/3 Falls (FYF: Liverpool) Nigel McGuinness vs Jimmy Rave (FYF : Finale) CIMA, Susumu Yokosuka, Dragon Kid & Ryo Saito vs Austin Aries, Delirious, Claudio Castagnoli & Rocky Romero (All Star Extravaganza 3) CIMA, Susumu Yokosuka & Shingo vs Dragon Kid, Ryo Saito & Masaaki Mochizuki (Supercard of Honor 2) Takeshi Morishima vs Austin Aries (Battle of St Paul) Briscoes vs Murder City Machine Guns (Good Times) Shingo vs Takeshi Morishima (Good Times) Brian Danielson & Takeshi Morishima vs Nigel McGuinness & KENTA (Respect is Earned) Brian Danielson vs Nigel McGuiness (Domination - match on Driven DVD) Kevin Steen and El Generico vs Mike Quackenbush and Jigsaw (Domination) KENTA vs Brian Danielson (Driven) Mike Quackenbush vs Matt Sydal (RTTT Night 1) The Briscoe Brothers vs Nigel McGuinness & Brian Danielson (RTTT Night 1) Mike Quackenbush vs Claudio Castagnoli (RTTT Night 2) The Briscoes Brothers vs Kevin Steen & El Generico - Street Fight (DBD 5 Night 1) The Briscoes Brothers vs Kevin Steen & El Generico - 2/3 Falls (Manhattan Mayhem 2) Brian Danielson vs Takeshi Morishima (Manhattan Mayhem 2) Takeshi Morishima vs Erik Stevens (Motor City Madness 2007) The Briscoes Brothers vs Kevin Steen & El Generico - Ladder Match (Man Up!) Roderick Strong vs Erik Stevens (Man Up!) Brian Danielson vs Austin Aries (Chaos at the Cow Palace) Nigel McGuinness vs Austin Aries (Rising Above) Go Shiozaki vs Necro Butcher (Eye of the Storm) Roderick Strong vs Necro Butcher vs Erik Stevens (6th Anniversary show) Nigel McGuinness vs Brian Danielson (6th Anniversary show) Kevin Steen & El Generico vs Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino (Dragon Gate Challenge 2) Naruki Doi, Masato Yoshino & Genki Horiguchi vs CIMA, Dragon Kid, & Ryo Saito (Supercard of Honor 3) No Remorse Corps vs Team NOAH (Southern Navigation) Jay Briscoe & Austin Aries vs Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black (A New Level) Nigel McGuinness vs Claudio Castagnoli (A New Level) Brian Danielson vs Claudio Castagnoli (Nortern Navigation) Adam Pearce vs Brent Albright ( DBD 6) Edited February 6, 2009 by Dearly Devoted Dexter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gadge Posted February 6, 2009 Paid Members Share Posted February 6, 2009 I've seen 11 of those 130 matches live and in person Good times... Â A few that spring to mind that I'd add... Â Low Ki vs Christopher Daniels vs Spanky vs Doug Williams (Crowning a Champion) American Dragon vs Paul London (Night of the Butcher) Doug Williams vs Christopher Daniels (Night of Champions) Alex Shelley vs Jimmy Jacobs (Joe vs Punk 2 - I Quit match) Spanky vs James Gibson (3YAC night 2) Samoa Joe vs Jay Lethal (Manhattan Mayhem) Generation Next vs The Embassy (Steel Cage Warfare) Kevin Steen and El Generico vs Mike Quackenbush and Jigsaw (Domination) Bryan Danielson vs Go Shiosaki (Live in Tokyo) Austin Aries vs Go Shiosaki (6th Anniversary show) Bryan Danielson vs Claudio Castagnoli (Northern Navigation) Â A few other things I want to comment on... Â -Some of the 2003 matches aren't in chronological order. The show order should go 1YA, Night of Champions, Epic Encounter, RRC2, FOH, Night of Grudges, DBD, then from Bitter Friends... the order is fine -Ki vs Barker from FOH? Really? If I had to pick one match from that show from a historical standpoint, I'd go for Joe/Zebra and the birth of the Ole kick. Ki/Flash did nothing for me live or on tape. -Danielson vs Aries from the Cow Palace is the one I preferred out of that best of three, nice choice -Two matches that I just never got the love for would be Briscoes vs Punk and Cabana 2/3 falls from DBD2 night 1, and Gobson/Cabana from Dragon Gate Invasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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