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Yeah, wrestling fan from Sheffield was right, yer all a bunch of cunts, except me like, I'm sound.If he want to whinge let him, fuck if he can't take a bit of shit over the internet he should unlpug his computer.I'll be honest I've really lost intrest in this place (and wrestling on a whole) but while a lot of twats on here were fucking annoying, meself included, buts thats all part of the fun, gotta say while I thought it was a funny letter this place aint that bad.Thats a shoot.AND THATS NO B.S, THAT'S E...S.......Ah fuck, wrong shoot.

Woah...I few people here may remember me from a few years ago & my hatred for Chis Benoit was never a secret, however that was the character of Benoit, not the man & I'm shocked & saddened about the events last week. I never dreamed I'd be writing about a wrestler murdering his wife & child, let alone someone as high profile as Benoit.My Prayers go out to Nancy & Daniel, also the families of those involved.

who has damaged wrestling in this country, which is something I care about, so excuse me for caring.

Bollocks.How is British wrestling damaged? Yeah it might fuck up imports, but other than that how does it affect the various long running promotions who dont really use them anyway?

FUCK OFF

Very reasonable debate there, well done, you're a credit to this forum.

How many times....???They point people have made repeatedly is that even if the shows were good, they consider the business model to be unworkable in the longterm, and 1PW's existence ultimately detrimental to British Wrestling in the longterm.Please actually read what people are saying

That maybe so, but that doesent excuse the fact that it's perfectly acceptable to attack the man behind it & his family too on this forum.

who has damaged wrestling in this country, which is something I care about, so excuse me for caring.

Bollocks.How is British wrestling damaged? Yeah it might fuck up imports, but other than that how does it affect the various long running promotions who dont really use them anyway?

Fair enough, both Gauntley & Sprules have made some bad business moves, shit I've done it meself, but why the personal attacks from people who've not lost a penny or have never had anything to do with them except over the internet?Sure they can be classed as bad businessmen, but the way they get treated you'd think they were akin to Ian Huntley or something.

You may think it's sad and they should have better things to do with their time BUT a lot of people on here feel very strongly about BritWres, worry about it's future and therefore understandably get pretty worked up when shit like this goes down that is severely damaging to its prospects and credibility as far as they're concerned.Surely you can understand this, if you've ever been passionate about anything?

Of course, & I myself am very active on the British scene, I go to as many shows as I can up & down the country. That said I've seen good shows & bad shows, but 1PW is not one of the bad ones, I as a humble fan, who feels strongly about British Wrestling, like 1PW, how their business is conducted is another matter, but as a company 1PW have delivered evey time I've seen them, so theres no reason to hate them or want to see them go down the shitter is there?

First of all reading this section of the board and you wonder why UKFF has a bad name?

The UKFF does not have a bad name. It is people like Gauntley and his apologists that have a bad name that then transfers itself on to here.

No it's the cunts on here that give the forum a bad name.People who have no actual intrest in 1PW, never even been to a show perhaps, but like the Kriss Sprules bullshit, love bandwagons.

There are cunts everywhere, and they are no better or no worse on here than anywhere else. As for Sprules that may be full of bandwagon jumpers but as only about 20 people have ever been to his shows what more do you expect, especially when he comes up with this alter ego skydome booking bullshit.

Fair enough, both Gauntley & Sprules have made some bad business moves, shit I've done it meself, but why the personal attacks from people who've not lost a penny or have never had anything to do with them except over the internet?Sure they can be classed as bad businessmen, but the way they get treated you'd think they were akin to Ian Huntley or something.

First of all reading this section of the board and you wonder why UKFF has a bad name?

The UKFF does not have a bad name. It is people like Gauntley and his apologists that have a bad name that then transfers itself on to here.

No it's the cunts on here that give the forum a bad name.People who have no actual intrest in 1PW, never even been to a show perhaps, but like the Kriss Sprules bullshit, love bandwagons.

And if they did, I'd change the name of the business, so what would they gain?

The point is you can't call yourself " Ltd " or a " Company " unless you are a registered Limited Company .

True, but in defense, he could be waiting for it to be approved, I dont know much about the business side, I employ people to deal with that, but it can take ages for it to be sorted as far as I know.

Lister.He annoys me.

Dopper, Hat Guy a close second.

The sad thing is that 1PW could have been something quite special indeed. They had the resources, the contacts, the hard work and the best intentions, as well as an undeniable will to plough it all into the product....it's just a shame they went about it all the wrong way.One-off supershows, laden with big name (and big money) international stars and aimed at the "smarter" internet fanbase are fine. You undoubtedly get people willing to travel long distances to see this type of show since it is one which is specifically designed to cater to their own personal likes and dislikes in terms of wrestling. As such, these fans are willing to pay a premium price for tickets, since they are getting something directly catering to them. You'll take a fortune on merchandise, "fan slams" etc due to fans wanting to make the most of this special one-off occasion. You can afford to bring in the big names, since you'll be making a stack on the gate and at the stalls.But that's the key. It only works to perfection when they are one-off. The model does not lend itself to a regular promotion, running shows every couple of months.And that was the initial appeal of 1PW - "Come and see the international stars". "Come and see international dream matches". It was a chance for UK fans to feel a part of something like TNA or ROH. At first, it didn't matter that all 1PW was doing was taking these big name performers and putting them in meaningless, soulless exhibition matches - since people were turning up just to see the wrestlers. People would turn up to see the work-rate. People would turn up to chant "This is awesome (clap clap clapclapclap)!" and "Thank You Steven (clap clap clapclapclap)!".Instead of moving on, gradually phasing out the big name stars in place of establishing cheaper home-grown names and using clever booking to create a genuine connection between performance and audience (which would in itself give fans a reason to come back again and again), they continued to rely on the top-line, big-name, top-dollar US indy stars. It eventually got to the point where the 1PW fanbase wouldn't accept anything less, with the only guys the 1PW fans giving a damn about was these big imports. British guys like Jack Storm, Dave Moralez, Spud, Jody Fleisch etc were not wanted by 1PW fans, and were treated with disdain or, even worse, complete apathy. So, 1PW had to continue to shell out for the AJ Styles' and such like, since they had conditioned their own fans into not accepting anything less.A side-effect of all of his was that they created a loyal, cult-like following who they were happy to feed, but they weren't managing to interest anyone else. The DVDs of their events were abysmal, and that abomination of a TV show was attrocious. It hardly portrayed them in the best light, and it came as absolutely no surprise to me when it came out that effectively, zero people were watching them on TWC. The fact that 1PW had run out of new top-name indy stars to bring over meant that once fans had seen them, there was no reason to go back. If these same indy stars had been involved in well-booked, story-driven contests as opposed to the meaningless, soulless exhibition bouts I referred to earlier, it might have been different. So, it came down to having to attract the same blindly-loyal people back to their shows again and again, which admittedly they did, but remember it was this very same loyal cult following which had come to expect nothing short of the excesses they had been treated with over the first series of shows. And it went on like this...and on....and on...Aside from the creative issues, there were also commercial ones. 1PW made no secret of the fact that they wanted to be the biggest and the best, and that they would pay stupid amounts of money to become recognised as just that. British guys were paid over the odds, some earning up to 5 times their normal rates. Managers and non-wrestling people were paid 3 figure sums. The money spent on bringing the same imports back again and again must have been astronomical. The money reportedly spent on securing the services of Bret Hart and Christian Cage was ludicrous. But, having made that bed, they had to lie in it. British workers openly mocked Gauntley for paying what he was, admitting that he wasn't going to last but they were sure as hell going to get a piece of it while they could. International talent like Low-Ki reportedly charged Gauntley waaay more than their usual fee, simply because they knew they could.They fell out with wrestling press, wrestling promoters, television people, production companies, wrestling staff etc, all of whom could have benefitted them in the long run if their attitude had been better. Steven Gauntley, for all his hard work, dedication and effort, managed to become the laughing stock of the internet - the very same people his product was aimed directly at, for the most part - with his rants and "Fuck the world! 1P-Dub! 1P-Dub!" stance on every bit of sleaze which came up. People even began to revel in 1PW's increasing misfortunes.I think the saddest part of all of it is that I'm not sorry to see 1PW die. Over 18 months ago, before their very first show, people were making the very same observations, criticisms and warnings about their model (both from an in-ring and out-of-ring perspective) that they were at the very end. The fact that they were seemingly blind to all of this is perhaps the underlined reason why today's annoucement has come. Over the past few months, where the dirt and sleaze on 1PW have really been dished (and from very reliable sources), it was apparent to all but the most naive of 1PW "fanboys" that there were problems, and the constant denial and "them and us" attitude from anyone associated with 1PW officially or unofficially became comical.I met Steven and Rosie, and the overwhelming impression I got from them was the undeniable desire to pour their heart and soul into 1PW, and to give the fans what they thought they wanted. Their determination and hard-work should be admired, I just don't agree with the way they went about it. In short, their idea of what constitutes pro wrestling was very different from my own.Another sad thing, is that 1PW haven't made a single difference to pro wrestling. Despite all their grand shows, grand intentions and grand promises, the wrestling industry is exactly the same on the day they have died as it was the day they were born...

A cracking post.No hate, no shit stirring, no bullshit & above all no petty personal vendetta.Just an honest observation.A lot of people could learn from this man.Well done sir.

Ummm... So is everyone conveniently overlooking the fact that he is actually still coming over to Britain next week?Sure, they might be a little wary because they got burned... but I would've thought a lot could be done to repair the relationship if their trip over here goes well.

Exactly, so they're obviously not too upset are they?

Of course it isn't the first time a wrestler has been ripped off. Won't be the last either. However, Keiji Muto is one of the most respected wrestlers in the industry, and is a power broker. His influence cuts across wrestling offices throughout Japan. He has seemingly taken on the money Kikutaro spent securing the 1PW deal as a company loss. An entire wrestling promotion has been ripped off, and an established and respected one at that.

Yeah & thats Gauntleys problem, not the British wrestling scene, but y'know so what? How much impact does Japanese wrestling have in the UK, if they never came here again, would British wrestling suffer? Would it fuck, you'd just stop getting these supershows.

Mr Sprules pulling a Jo whatsherface here, burying bad news, with all the 1PW stuff & the hate of the month club occupied with that.Well done Kriss, I salute you for that. That said they'll be on your arse quick enough when that dies down, so if you're gonna pull this off do it properly mate.

Or, thinking British wrestling promoters are a shower of swindling shysters, they cut their losses and stick to doing business with Mexico, mainland Europe and the U.S.

Is this the 1st time that a wrestler has been ripped off? Nope & it wont be the last either. So why should they tar the whole British scene with the same brush?

This is nothing to do with independent contractors, Steven Gauntley has just fucked over the second-longest running wrestling promotion in Japan.

Exactly & they'll never do business with him again.I myself run a business & a few months ago I was ripped off for about 4 grand on a job in Leeds, so does that mean I shouldn't take anymore work in Leeds? Fuck no, thats dumb.

British wrestling had respect ("The English advance of which is proud of worldwide degree of distinction")Now, as a result of this bullshit, Japan now thinks that Britain is a dangerous place in which to do business, unlike the US and Mexico ("as for the foreign country it is dangerous, it became the feeling that is. The route where the United States and Mexico are different simply."1PW 1PW 1PW 1PW 1PW~!

And yep, looks like any business between Japan and Britain in wrestling terms will be severely curtailed. Cheers Gauntley.

Nah, they as independant contractors, will want better assurances before they take on any more work.

So a business has gone into liquidation?Meh happens every day folks get over it.Fucks sake.

How long was Man Mountain Rock in the WWF in 1995? I don't really remember him apart from the guitar playing before he wrestled. Did he have any notable feuds?

Nope, not a single feud. Don't know how long he was there and dont remember anything about any of his matches either. Think he just did a few squashes on Superstars and faded away.

He had a bit of a do with Bob Backlund though, don't remember much, I just remember Backlund covering his ears while MMR was playing away.

How's the Chris Benoit dvd? Is it any good?

Now I'm no Benoit fan, if fact I find him very boring, but his dvd is pretty good, not the bore fest I was expecting.

I thought Raw was at the Manhattan center, and ONS was at the Hammerstein Ballroom?

Wasn't the Manhatten Centre renamed the Hammerstein Ballroom?

A question about Rob McKay or McKai.Has he actually wrestled a match? Whats the story with the guy.Cheers.

Isn't this that kid who got arrested on weapons charges?

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