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3 hours ago, Tommy! said:

I'm looking at some shows at KKs steel mill in Wolverhampton but can't seem to find any info of parking anywhere near. Wolverhampton is also the most unpleasant place I've ever been, which doesn't give me much enthusiasm. 

Anyone been know if there's somewhere nearby safe to park and what it's like as a venue? 

There's a car park about 5 minutes away. However, KK's is in a dodgy industrial estate. It's an old warehouse previously known as Starworks (FIght Club Pro used to run in it). Train station about a 10/15 minute walk. 

Being 6ft 11, I get both sides of the argument regarding tall folk at gigs. I usually stand at the side of the stage near the front, where less people are likely to stand. I also check around me, in case someones who's short is standing behind me. Then I'll ask them if they wanna go in front of me. It's just a case of being respectful of the people around you and hopefully they'll equally be respectful. 

8 hours ago, iPumaPants said:

Why does that annoy you?

Just find it to be in the same category as grown men who walk around with WWE belts over the shoulders. 

That every show seems to have someone on the front row cosplaying as Orange Cassidy.

BBC have run a story about one of the singers from Jericho's entrance at Revolution.  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51682017

Excalibur's over the top scream of " topé suicida" every time it's performed.

I don't think the women's match was as bad as people perceived it to be. It seemed to have suffered due to being straight after the tag team match.

Not much else can be said on how great the tag match was. Hangman's grin as he was teasing the lariat on Omega, was the highest level of shithousery. Only downside to the match was the cameraman's inability to keep up with the moves.    

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For every genuinely great chant, there's ten "she's a crackwhore", "show your tits" or "Jason takes it up the ass". I'd sacrifice the possibility of ever recreating the atmosphere of Lawler vs. Dreamer - one of my favourite ECW matches - if it meant never having to subject people to those chants.
 

A couple of examples that maybe people will consider worrying about as being overly "PC" or whatever, but are all part of the reality of a wrestling show;

The vast majority of shows I've worked, we have been paid by the event/venue to provide entertainment - meaning they handle ticket sales etc., and means that I don't have the authority to kick people out if they use slurs or abusive language. The second show I ever worked was attended by a rugby club outing, all of whom were drunk, loud, obnoxious and offensive, which ruined the show by intimidating the families that had come to watch, and basically meant that every other member of the crowd stayed quiet, rather than engaging with the show as they normally would.
 

I've worked shows in secondary schools, where the kids attending are shouting homophobic slurs at wrestlers. It's possible that there were also LGBT kids in that audience who were effectively forced to sit in silence while a room full of their classmates yelled homophobic abuse without being punished for it - precisely because of the kind of attitude you're talking about; it was "blowing off steam", it's all part of the show. But what does that tell the LGBT kids, already unsure of their place in the world? That they're the acceptable punchline for everyone else's abuse. From a moral point of view, I don't want any of our customers, or our talent, to feel uncomfortable or unsafe in the environment our shows create. From a business point of view, I don't want anyone feeling so uncomfortable, unsafe or offended that they don't buy a ticket for the next show, or go and tell all their mates not to. Sometimes my nephews and nieces have come to watch my shows, or I've taken them to watch other wrestling - I don't want them to learn that shouting this kind of abuse is acceptable anywhere. And before anyone steps in and says "I wasn't talking about being homophobic", I will extend that to include calling someone a "fat cunt" as well. Because if it's acceptable for dad to say it at The Wrestling, it's acceptable for Little Billy to say it in the playground. 

Couldn't agree more. It's just down to being self aware of the product you are going to see. If the poster looks like it's advertising a family product, either don't go or act with respect around you. After all if a an adult went to Disneyland childless, you certainly wouldn't curse or act in a drunken fashion.

I think promotions with a more adult fan base, should be a bit loud and laree. Chant and sing be involved in an immersive environment. I've been attending shows for years and have hardly heard any homophobic/racists chants. Promotors are well versed to deal with such bad behaviour. Like I said as fans going to shows, it's just a case of being self aware.

I can see both sides of the coin. Wrestling, works best with audience participation. Some of the most memorable moments in wrestling, have been because of the audiences involvement in a match. CM Punk vs John Cena, Hogan v Rock and so on.

The vulgar nature of the audience in ECW would probably mean it wouldn't last long if it was around in 2020. However, the audience and the product have had a major impact on the wrestling business. New York and Chicago fans who would be perceived as cunts due to the behaviour, have created some of the most memorable atmospheres.

No person should be subject to abusive behaviour, wrestler or fan. No one should be racist, homophobic or face discrimination. However it can be dangerous to dictate how fans should behave. Pro wrestling is great when the audience is immersed and reactive.