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I find it mad that people have been blind to the long term game they are playing,The story has been built brilliantly leading to this showdown with Triple H.

 

Wasn't it supposed to be CM Punk vs HHH at Wrestlemania though? It's hardly a long term game when they've changed their plans due to unforeseen circumstances.

 

There is no long term plan for Bryan, they seem to be throwing shit at a turnbuckle and seeing what sticks. The half arsed joining the Wyatts for a week was mental. It served no purpose for Bryan or The Wyatts.

 

I also don't think that the Bryan HHH match has been built particularly well. Hunter seems to have had a whale of a time at his smarmy best with lines like

 

'Solid B star'

'great little worker'

and of course

'you're not worthy of me'

 

Bryans response has been to stamp his feet over and over and say I am so, I am so worthy of you. Listen to the fans. I am so.

I think you should go back to the other forum.

 

Cutting edge stuff and highly original.

Bravo sir.

If you're going to moronic comments like those then you dont deserve anyones A-Game.

 

If you like there are more than a few people on here that can explain to you the difference between a heel and a babyface.

 

You not being one of them.

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I find it mad that people have been blind to the long term game they are playing,The story has been built brilliantly leading to this showdown with Triple H.

 

Wasn't it supposed to be CM Punk vs HHH at Wrestlemania though? It's hardly a long term game when they've changed their plans due to unforeseen circumstances.

 

There is no long term plan for Bryan, they seem to be throwing shit at a turnbuckle and seeing what sticks. The half arsed joining the Wyatts for a week was mental. It served no purpose for Bryan or The Wyatts.

 

I also don't think that the Bryan HHH match has been built particularly well. Hunter seems to have had a whale of a time at his smarmy best with lines like

 

'Solid B star'

'great little worker'

and of course

'you're not worthy of me'

 

Bryans response has been to stamp his feet over and over and say I am so, I am so worthy of you. Listen to the fans. I am so.

I think you should go back to the other forum.

 

Cutting edge stuff and highly original.

Bravo sir.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

I find it mad that people have been blind to the long term game they are playing,The story has been built brilliantly leading to this showdown with Triple H.

 

Wasn't it supposed to be CM Punk vs HHH at Wrestlemania though? It's hardly a long term game when they've changed their plans due to unforeseen circumstances.

 

There is no long term plan for Bryan, they seem to be throwing shit at a turnbuckle and seeing what sticks. The half arsed joining the Wyatts for a week was mental. It served no purpose for Bryan or The Wyatts.

 

I also don't think that the Bryan HHH match has been built particularly well. Hunter seems to have had a whale of a time at his smarmy best with lines like

 

'Solid B star'

'great little worker'

and of course

'you're not worthy of me'

 

Bryans response has been to stamp his feet over and over and say I am so, I am so worthy of you. Listen to the fans. I am so.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Most who watch the current WWE product have a fair idea of what next weeks raw crowd in Chicago will be like.

 

I really really want to see them open the show, have a few seconds dramatic pause then hit Punks theme, give it a moment or so then have Big Dave walk out in a Punk T shirt smirking all the way to the ring.

Heel Dave is brilliant and this would be white heat were it to occur.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Being over has nothing to do with how you are booked. His reactions show the fans are still well into him. Not sure how that's anything controversial to say.

 

But they are not well into him enough to give Vince the ratings he wanted after Summerslam to see Bryan gain his revenge. Fuck sake 2 years ago we had fans chanting we want Ryder over and over again.

Was he the most over man in the company.

 

Take away this yes yes yes thing and Bryan is just another mid card babyface.

 

The catchphrase creates that Main Event character though. With your logic I doubt without his catchphrases and mic work The Rock would have been anymore than a 'mid card babyface'. WWE backed themselves into a corner by bringing Batista back really. If they'd known the reactions that Bryan was going to get at the Rumble and afterwards and similarly how Batista has been booed I doubt they would have put Batista straight in the title picture. Batista vs Orton is better suited as a middle of the card Wrestlemania match, not for the belt. Also Bryan and Ryder are different. They pushed Ryder and as soon as they did his stock with the fans plummeted. He hardly got reactions anymore. Bryan is still getting continuous positive reactions whether being pushed or not. I'm not even that much of a Bryan fan but what you're saying is retarded.

 

 

Retared, nice.

 

The catchphrase does not create a main even character, because Bryan isn't a main event character. The comparison with the Rock is miles off, The Rock had incredible charsima, great mic skills, the ability control a crowd to an almost Hogan level and was good in the ring.

 

Bryan is great in the ring and has one catchphrase, which incidentally can easily be copied, Big Show had the arenas chanting along with him as well when he adopted it.

Bryan is useless on the mic and has zero charisma, you keep telling crowds that Bryan isn't good enough to be the face of the WWE, keep presenting him as a loser who gives up when the going gets though, by that I mean he lost feuds to Orton and Wyatt and instead of seeking revenge, whined and moaned about it, and eventually, fans will believe it.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Being over has nothing to do with how you are booked. His reactions show the fans are still well into him. Not sure how that's anything controversial to say.

 

But they are not well into him enough to give Vince the ratings he wanted after Summerslam to see Bryan gain his revenge. Fuck sake 2 years ago we had fans chanting we want Ryder over and over again.

Was he the most over man in the company.

 

Take away this yes yes yes thing and Bryan is just another mid card babyface.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Undertaker v Lesnar is the biggest match.

No idea what they will do with Batista v Orton but if they want Bryan in there then they have to start presenting him a bit better. Right now he is nothing more than an annoying wee loser who gets what he wants by whining and moaning,

 

Batisata/Orton is the Main Event, thus it'll be what the show will close with. Certainly the Lesnar/Taker match will be wonderful, but they will want a Main Event that is not totally shit on.

 

I don't think it matters what they do with Bryan at the moment, he's the most over man in the company.

 

Absolutely no chance the show will close with Orton v Batista. None.

 

If Bryan was the most over man in the company then he would not have been booked so half arsedly since Summerslam. He would have been protected and promoted far better than he has been.

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So what are they going to do with Orton/Batista? The logic is clearly adding Bryan, but they seem to not want to give him that spot. I can't see WWE giving their biggest Wrestlemania to a match which will be loudly shat on.

 

Undertaker v Lesnar is the biggest match.

No idea what they will do with Batista v Orton but if they want Bryan in there then they have to start presenting him a bit better. Right now he is nothing more than an annoying wee loser who gets what he wants by whining and moaning,

[Random thoughts thread v2 *NO NEWS ITEMS*]

Not sure what to make of some of the claims here from Kamala. Some seem plausible as many have spoken about what a cunt Andre was. The Vince one at the end is pretty damning stuff.

 

 

Former WWE Superstar Kamala sat down with the Voice of Choice Bruce Wirt and Nemar Wells in one of the most hard-hitting interviews in the history of the VOC Nation Radio Network. Kamala talked about racism in the WWF, Vince McMahon, his hatred for wrestling, and more.

 

The entire interview can be heard at this link on the "VOC Nation Wrestling Vault" show.

 

Here are some highlights of the interview:

 

Working with Andre the Giant:

 

"Andre wasn't the friendly guy that he appeared to be. He was real temperamental and had a nasty attitude. When I first started working with him, he called me a (derogatory) name in the ring and I beat him up. After that, I never had another problem with him. A lot of (top guys had problems with Andre too). He would just go out and mop the floor with people. He treated (wrestlers) nasty, and the fans too. Andre would do it just about every night. Guys would watch through the curtain to see what he was going to do."

 

Working with Hulk Hogan:

 

"We had a lot of good matches and drew a lot of fans all over. Working with Hogan was easy and a treat. I loved working with him."

 

Racism in the WWE:

 

"In Summerslam 92, I had one of my biggest matches against the Undertaker. He made a half million dollars and I made 13 (thousand). There was a lot of racism in the WWE. I remember so many times when I was there, I would get there early and find me a nice dressing room; the agents would (kick me out and) let (the white stars) have the dressing room. When I went out to the ring, I was a superstar; backstage I was a nothing."

 

The Undertaker:

 

"I love the Undertaker. If I see him on TV, I'll stop and watch. I love his gimmick, and I like him. He's a respectable man and I got along real good with him, and I love his work."

 

Retirement and regrets:

 

"I don't miss it. I wish I had made money where I could have retired and enjoyed life. I worked so hard all those years and didn't make any money. If I had made money, I would have done the right thing and invested it. I don't watch wrestling today. If my friends are watching it, I'll get up and leave. It brings back bad memories."

 

Vince McMahon:

 

"Vince McMahon has certain people that he will pay. If you get along with Vince, do him all kind of sexual favors, then you'll get along good with him. But if you just (do your job and) mind your own business, be there on time, then he seems to have less respect for you. There was a lot of men with men in those days and even men with boys. I know a lot of guys that (failed drug tests) and it was documented that they passed, because they were top guys and I know what they did."

 

Read more at http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0...abuse-dominated

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[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

What does it tell the people in charge of WWE when people chant "CM Punk" during a match involving Daniel Bryan? That just screams fad. They want Daniel Bryan and they got him. So they chant "CM Punk" when he's wrestling Randy Orton. That does him no favours with the people who believe the fans are the easiest to work. Reports from the house shows say Orton vs Cena was the same match from the Royal Rumble, except the fans were hugely into it. Its just loud mouths who are doing it to be clever. Its Hulk Hogan syndrome. Hogan was the most over wrestler in the WWF in 2002. Nobody touched him for fan reaction. But he bombed at the box office because who wants to see him wrestle every week? If you were to listen to the crowds, you would never have put Brock Lesnar or Kurt Angle over Hogan. But there's doing what rowdy fans want and actually reacting to what the people who pay money want. Fan reaction and what people sitting at home want have always been different.

 

 

Well the Daniel Bryan thing is a bit of a red herring, I've never been totally convinced of his worth. Paying WWE fans love to feel involved at live events, Bryan gave them that when he started this whole yes yes yes thing.

 

Take that away from Bryan and he'd be just another talented little mid-carder.

 

The first CM Punk chants were fairly easy to explain, they came at the start of the show during another mind numbing promo from Orton where he repeated more or less the same promo he always does..

 

Not sure exactly why a vocal portion of the crowd started again during the Bryan match, maybe they were expecting/hoping Punk to make a run in?

Maybe they see the Bryan as having a connection to Punk and went with that?

Or maybe 3 hours of solid decent but ultimately worthless wrestling matches where nothing really happened had grown stale and they wanted to liven themselves up?

 

Again though, I find it harsh to label people bored rigid by the Cena and Orton match at the Rumble loudmouths.

The match was piss poor with two wrestlers who have no chemistry together, despite WWE telling us differently. Cena v Orton, doesn't and hasn't worked. Ever.

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A good audience really makes wrestling (Hogan/Rock, or example) and I'm happy to get swept away in that atmosphere, but the current trend, particularly in 'smart' towns, for hijacking shows, and chanting announcers names? Yeah, for my own enjoyment, I filter those nobbers out as much as possible.

 

Maybe the audiences in question are just bored stupid at what they are being presented with by WWE and finding their own ways to amuse themselves.

 

The causal dismissal of vocal crowds who don't tow the WWE party line as nobbers who are just trying to get themselves over is pretty far off the mark.

Granted I'm sure there are the odd one of two like that but the majority would be merely voicing their dissaproval at what they are seeing week in week out.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Ryback could have been massive by now. Massive.

 

One moment that always sticks out for me is the contract signing between Punk and Ryback, Punk was in Rybacks face mouthing off, Ryback calmly grabbed Punks head and smashed him through the table before giving him the shellshock.

Ryback looked super cool and the live crowd was white hot for the segment.

 

Entire arenas chanting along with the feed me more whenever he flicked his shoulder, the guy was ready, WWE fucked it up big time.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Difficult to imagine who will induct Warrior into the HOF.

 

Excluding Hogan his two greatest opponents were probably Rick Rude and Randy Savage, unfortunately both of them are out. was it Kerry Von Erich he held the WCCW tag belts with? Well no for that one as well.

 

So barring Hogan I can't think of any wrestling personality that could realistically do it.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

Looks to me that WWE realised they made a pigs ear of the Bryan/Wyatt feud and want to recify things pretty quickly. Massive credit must go to Bryan for depsite being on the wrong end of some pretty haphazard booking he has still managed to remain over to a ridiculous degree.

No idea where he goes from here now.

 

Orton attacked Cenas father, well I never saw that one coming.

 

To be fair to Orton though, Cenas father has the kind of look that would make someone want to give him a good leathering.

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I echo the earlier sentiments in this thread about how Raw has become a bit of a blur these days, just a general procession of good, but ultimately meaningless, 20 minute matches week after week after week. It doesn't become difficult to lose interest in results of matches when we know there is a good chance we will be seeing that very same match repeated again on Smackdown and Raw half a dozen times over the coming weeks.

 

The frustrating thing for me is that when WWE choose to do something right, it can still click. The end segment was fantastic, Cena delivered an outstanding promo for the second week in a row and really put over how big a match this is and how big the championship is.

The brawl at the end had a real sense of, here we fucking go, as well with Punk, Bryan, HBK and HHH all getting involved.

 

Delighted TLC is on Sky Sports and the main event will be worth watching, I do see one man genuinely leaving with both titles but I also can't see it being Orton or Cena.

HHH is getting involved in this somehow.

 

Finally, as much as I loved Shawn Michaels as a wrestler, and I did, to me he was the best ever. I don't want to see him wrestle again. And I don't think he will.

No doubt he will be involved somehow at Mania but I just can't see him wrestling again.

[The Official UKFF RAW Thread...]

John Cena has fucked off for 4-6 months.

 

Better get the Samaritans onto this forum now. However will some (Pitcos) survive.

[The lets all point and laugh at Fin Martin thread]

Apologies for the double post, but thought this would be interesting to people on here.

 

Further to our discussions about the PS50 and John Cena, I wrote in to the Powerslam mailbag section giving my thoughts, and comparing Cena and Kofi Kingston to show how his exclusion was quite silly. I also asked about The Young Bucks being two places apart. I was pretty reasonable I thought, and it was clearly marked as a letter for them to consider printing.

 

I got a reply this morning from the man himself...

Reminds me of the time I emailed PowerSlam back in January of 2006 to call him out on his constant bashing of John Cena, Chris Masters and Mark Henry. I got a similarly arsey and overly defensive response from 'Findlay' too.

 

Funny that almost seven years on those three lads are considered by many of the most knowledgeable fans on here to be top class workers.

 

 

 

 

After Henrys showing last night I couldn`t help but bump this, sorry.