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  1. Papa Shango ran in on the Main Event of Mania 8 (late if you believe the stories) ahead of his headline feud with the Warrior on the summer house shows and by the greatest Mania of them all, WrestleMania 9 - he was laying down for El Matador in the pre-show dark match.
  2. I genuinely don't have the nostalgia I used to have for Mania, or anything really, for reasons I've banged on about, but I've very much enjoyed reading everyone's posts. A nice thread. First WrestleMania watched? I think the first Mania I saw was 3 on a video a friend brought round but I'd consider 7 my first Mania. That was the first one I saw reasonably close to it airing and the first where I was following the stories, even if it was mostly through WWF magazine as we were too poor for Sky. Favourite WrestleMania? 9. I know everyone thinks it's the worst Mania. I know that objectively, it probably is. But I know it's still my favourite and along with 7 & 10, is easily my most watched ever. I'm all in for Bret Hart, for Doink and Crush, for Shawn and Tatonka, for Luger's deadly forearm, for the big naked Giant, for Taker's entrance, for Jim Ross being incredible on the call, for the 3 people who turned up in togas. Even my least favourite booking decision of all-time doesn't hurt this. Have you ever been to WrestleMania? No. I'd like to say I never will but who knows? Maybe they sort their shit out and I will one day. Best/Worst WrestleMania matches. Warrior/Savage is my favourite match ever. Austin/Bret is the best match in pro-wrestling history. The double-header from Mania 10 is the best 1-2 ever. Rockers v Haku & Barbarian is a brilliant and under-rated opener at 7. Herc and Billy Jack Haynes and the midget match from Mania 3 are probably the best ones that have no right to be. And on that note, Hogan & Warrior are magnificent at Mania 6 considering the expectations there. Worst is difficult. There are millions of terrible matches on most of the early Manias but they're generally short and designed only to put someone over and maintain their momentum. I'd watch them any day over the "epics" of the last 15-20 years that everyone has decided are 7 stars before the bell. They're not for me. On similar note, Bret & Shawn is the biggest disappointment of your life. I'll never love Hogan/Rock as long as I live either. Best/Worst WrestleMania moments. Best - Savage & Liz reuniting, obvs. Doink cloning himself. Owen beating Bret and still watching him be the man. The spectacle of Hogan/Andre. The production on Bret/Austin is all-time great, particularly the camera work. Worst - Turning Steve Austin heel. Also, I'd always give them a pass because of the circumstances but, a Mania with no fans and "Cinematic" "matches" can get to fuck. Favourite WrestleMania announcer call? Not individual calls but Gorilla & Bobby at 8 and JR at 9 are magnificent calls. Nothing since JR's peak has been 1/10th as good as this.
  3. I edited that to make it clear what I meant. I don't dislike Triple H from what I know of him. He's a very good pro-wrestler, excellent backstage politician, good promo, comes across well in a lot of public appearances (when not dodging questions about major scandals) and is a very solid, but over-rated, booker. That doesn't affect my opinion that all of the people we know have been VERY intimately involved in the day to day running of the organisation should be seriously investigated. It's not indiscriminate to suggest that Vince McMahon's closest and most trusted colleagues (and family) knew about these accusations. He spent company money paying NDAs. Stephanie was in meetings about the Ashley Massaro accusations. Two of their closest contacts are named in these papers. It's unrealistic to think any of them were blissfully unaware and if they knew and decided to keep out of it to absolve themselves, they've failed. It all needs investigating. The bad apples all need clearing out and there is absolutely no way anyone should be making the case for their defence until that happens.
  4. She knew about Ashley Massaro and everyone in the world knew about Rita Chatterton. You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know about the rest. I've no wish to see innocent people dragged down by any of this. I've no idea why anyone would try and make the case for the people at the top though, considering how horrendously they have failed these poor women. And depending how far they go back in the organisation (not Trips and Steph here), they've failed a lot of young men too.
  5. I think it's similar wishful thinking, personally. Feel free to argue the points made if you disagree. But I don't think it's hyperbole at all. We all know how opinions are shaped by people's opinions of certain personalities in wrestling. Was ever thus.
  6. This is unfathomable. Like wishing Chris Benoit was just putting his poor disabled kid out of his misery. I've no skin in this game - as in, I don't particularly dislike Triple H- but given how close Trips has been to Vince in the past, how close he is to Nick Khan, Stephanie being his partner at work and his wife/ex-wife/mother of his children, and seemingly everyone having heard/known some form of story about Vince, it's almost impossible to imagine that he didn't know. What he knew and what he could have done to stop it is something only a proper investigation could decipher (insert massive GIF of someone laughing real hard at the prospect of a proper investigation with this bunch of carnies), but what is clear is that this stuff is systemic in this organisation and the top level all need investigating, and the wrong-uns clearing out. Until that happens, TKO are as big a bunch of frauds as Vince & co.
  7. I don't want that to be the case, which is why I just don't post at times. Time for that again, I think. I don't think it is, personally. I think it's how can this be one of your primary interests/hobbies/form of escapism with what you know? For instance, how can anyone discuss the booking of Rhodes/Rock/Reigns and not be overwhelmed with disgust that the booker is Vince McMahon's son-in-law, is (probably) married to the woman who led a "Thank You, Vince" chant after his previous allegations, is still in place and getting away with telling the industry "media" that he didn't even read the documents? I accept that there are plenty of wrestling fans out there who want Chris Benoit in the hall of fame so I appreciate there's a bottom-feeder element who could never be reasonable but I find that harder with people who's opinion I respect, if I'm honest. That's a good point. I think I've touched on it above. Change won't come while everyone does the fuck all they're doing now though, I know that.
  8. There's probably a good chance I haven't but that's by the by. No-one is being asked to re-write history. Especially in a massively varied industry like that. There are no new Weinstein movies for for a reason but if there was, then no, of course they shouldn't be sold or bought. Pro-wrestling isn't that varied, Vince McMahon has pretty much been the entire industry for our lifetimes. This has been a live situation for a long time. People have continued to support his company since the Ashley Massaro allegations. Since Vince "stepped down" in disgrace in 2022. Since he moved aside again recently. And they do now, even though those who enabled or ignored his behaviour are still there. This isn't really the thread for it because Punk shouldn't be singled out here. But until there's a proper investigation, a clearing out - from the top - of the people who are complicit and a real commitment to change, then no-one should be buying what these cunts are selling. And, to be clear, as long as the opposition are employing people like Ric Flair, then the same goes for them too. Clear out people who are no good. Put better people in key positions and commit to creating a safe environment and not repeating the mistakes. I'm not Jim Cornette, but that's my opinion.
  9. What though? What am I watching or who am I engaging with where I know what they've done? That's the line. We all know. There's no mystery here. We just want to use that so we can watch men in pants roll around. If I stick a Russell Brand DVD on tonight, then I know. And I'd be choosing to ignore everything he may have done. If I buy a loaf of bread and the CEO of W*rburton's is a paedo, then I don't. I'll mask that in case I get sued. Other bread is available. Did Houchen tell you to say that?
  10. That's fine and it doesn't need a gotcha. I was still a big fan until 4-5 years ago. Of wrestling, not Marlon King. Long past the point I knew about many of the atrocities in the industry. I'm ashamed of that looking back but it's nothing you can change. I think it is cut and dry. You either know about this stuff or you don't. And if you do, then you do what you want. I'd love everyone to never buy another ticket to watch this shit but I'm realistic enough to know it isn't ever going to happen. So watch if you want to watch. But don't defend it. There is no defence for it. There's no defence for popping into the Vince McMahon thread to show how awful you think it is, and then pop up in the Royal Rumble thread minutes later to talk about fucking Cody or Roman. You can't pretend you care about the welfare of people in the industry, particularly women, while continuing to support it. That's a nonsense. If the Marlon King thing happened tomorrow, I'm absolutely certain I wouldn't go to a game while he was involved. Why would anyone? We have a choice.
  11. Yeah, I've seen that. Remember it being mentioned on the SCG shows Liam did with Kyle Ross. Not sure if I'd seen it before then. A three man Orient Express is definitely an odd thing to see.
  12. Fair play, thought he was bombed out earlier than he was. Again, it wasn't because of the assault. Saw Phil Brown a few years ago. He was only bothered that his stats showed his workrate had dropped. Imagine they would have kept him if he'd still been working and scoring goals. You got me though, my moral code 15 years ago was obviously in question.
  13. No, he went back to Wigan and then on loan to Middlesbrough. It was for football reasons, if we're really honest, his performances had dropped off. Probably all that clubbing and sleeping in police cells.
  14. Do we? Who are they? I don't know of anyone that I'm dealing with, even occasionally, who is remotely on a level of these pieces of shit and I don't know of anyone who I'm supporting in any way who comes close either. If I did, I wouldn't be. That's the usual cop out to justify watching this garbage. Nobody has to stop watching but don't give the rest of us this bollocks. We're all marks. We bought the gimmick. He created his own standard. You're right though. He's another twat amongst twats. I can't think of a bigger group of people who can't keep their gob shut about anything. It's in their interests to say nothing and hope no-one points fingers. They're all cowards. Sad but true.
  15. I haven't seen it in years but when I was a kid, I got the UK Rampage tape and I fucking loved that Warlord/Anvil opener. I absolutely loved the backstage promo later too. Warlord's in the opener on SummerSlam that year, which is a real sleeper favourite of mine, and the match with Davey at Mania is decent too. I liked him. No idea why he was so shit in Royal Rumbles.
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