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15 hours ago, wandshogun09 said:

At this point, it’s hard to imagine AJ surviving against Wilder. I’ve no doubt he could outbox him for significant spells but so did Ortiz and look how that turned out. Twice. So did Fury and look what happened in the 12th. Even as good and clear a win as this was last night, Joshua still had those couple of dicey rounds where he had to cling on. You just know Wilder would’ve closed the show in those situations. 

Yeah, there were a few brief moments where Ruiz looked to land a flurry and you saw Joshua with that look in his eye as he grabbed on for dear life. The Sky commentators were talking as if it was Rocky fighting Clubber Lang for the 2nd time after being trained by Apollo Creed. "Wow, he looks fantastic! He looks more like Apollo Creed! Look at the Champ's face!"

Settle down. He managed to use his considerable reach and speed to evade a fat guy who was fatter than usual. A guy, lest we forget, that he should have beaten first time around. Ruiz is a handy enough fighter, but he's not world champion material. He earned $7 million from that first fight, and a reported $9 million for the second bout, before endorsements and suchlike. His priority nowadays isn't boxing or training, it's spending money and being famous.

Was it a good performance from Joshua? It was okay, but anyone who saw that and who thinks that he could suddenly emulate what Fury did against Wilder is tucking into the vodka and Kool Aid a bit too much. 

Joshua is a decent enough boxer. He's good at most aspects of the game, but he's not great at anything. He has decent boxing skills, decent footwork, decent power, and a decent chin. Basically, he's Frank Bruno 2.0. It's just unfortunate that he's existing in an era when there's probably two of the best heavyweights in recent times knocking about.

Could he clip and hurt Wilder? Potentially, but Wilder, when hurt, starts throwing back at volume, and Joshua, when he commits, tends to leave himself open. You do that with Wilder and you're gonna get caught eventually.

As for Fury? Well, there's a reason why Hearn very rarely entertains that fight as a possibility, despite the fact it would be huge business in the UK. And the reason is that Fury, even in one of his "I'm gonna fuck about and not be arsed" performances would still absolutely school Joshua. Styles make fights, and Fury is all wrong for AJ in every way possible. He's tall, he's rangy, he's unpredictable, he's one of the best pure boxers the division has seen in decades, he moves incredibly well for a man his size, and he's proven that he has a chin. 

For AJ to win that fight he'd need to drop Fury multiple times and succeed where more accurate, harder hitters have failed. He has the power to trouble Fury, but it takes a lot to even come close to putting him away, and Fury has shown that he can box his way out of trouble. It wouldn't happen in my opinion.

That's why Fast Eddie is doing his job, and keeping his man away from that fight as long as he can. It's the bout that no one really wants. Even Wilder was reportedly holding on and hoping for a Ruiz win before he eventually signs for that rematch. And even now, I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to go in another direction.

No one wants to face Fury. He can make anyone look incredibly stupid, and no one needs that kind of man in their life.

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@David As you rightly say Fury is one of the best pure boxers that the heavyweight division has seen in decades. Potentially though so is Usyk. If the 2 of them were to face each other do you think that Usyk is big enough as a heavyweight to be able to dance with Fury, and how would you see that fight going?

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9 hours ago, David said:

The Sky commentators were talking as if it was Rocky fighting Clubber Lang for the 2nd time after being trained by Apollo Creed. "Wow, he looks fantastic! He looks more like Apollo Creed! Look at the Champ's face!"

I watched it on an American stream and at one point they were laughing at the Sky team. They said how every time there was a clinch they all got to their feet shouting advice to Joshua and asked where there journalistic integrity was. 

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Same as you @Keith Houchen I watched the DAZN stream (DA ZONE, lol) and was far more impressed with them than I have been with most UK comms teams, and I discovered the lovely Claudia Trejos. They all seemed appreciative of what Joshua was doing without going too far.

As a fairly casual fan who’s favourite fights are the Gatti-Ward trilogy, and prefers seeing boxers just leather each most of the time, I was really impressed with Joshua.

More with his discipline more than anything. I’m sure the other heavyweights would beat him, but sure he’d give a good account of himself.

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Agree with everyone knocking the Sky team, they were borderline unbearable. Bellew especially. 

Like David mentioned, they were acting like Joshua was outboxing an absolute monster in the division, when in reality he fought cautiously against a guy he should be beating comfortably if he is the best heavyweight on the planet. They laid it on abit thick for me.

Chris Eubank's US debut was a bit of a mare, Korobov retired half way through round 2 because he popped his shoulder. Shame for Eubank given how inactive he's been.

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10 hours ago, Lion_of_the_Midlands said:

@David As you rightly say Fury is one of the best pure boxers that the heavyweight division has seen in decades. Potentially though so is Usyk. If the 2 of them were to face each other do you think that Usyk is big enough as a heavyweight to be able to dance with Fury, and how would you see that fight going?

Not a chance in my opinion. He's too small to deal with heavyweights of that size I think.

A great big man always beats a great smaller man.

3 hours ago, Egg Shen said:

Agree with everyone knocking the Sky team, they were borderline unbearable. Bellew especially. 

Like David mentioned, they were acting like Joshua was outboxing an absolute monster in the division, when in reality he fought cautiously against a guy he should be beating comfortably if he is the best heavyweight on the planet. They laid it on abit thick for me.

Chris Eubank's US debut was a bit of a mare, Korobov retired half way through round 2 because he popped his shoulder. Shame for Eubank given how inactive he's been.

Yeah, I'm not being critical of Joshua for fighting that way, he got the job done, got Ruiz out of the way, and can now get back to bigger things hopefully. It was the commentators who did my head in. 

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who does everyone think will be next for AJ? he has to deal with the mandatory situation so id say the smart money is on Pulev. Id prefer the Usyk fight but it looks like he'll fight Chisora in Feb.

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14 hours ago, Egg Shen said:

who does everyone think will be next for AJ? he has to deal with the mandatory situation so id say the smart money is on Pulev. Id prefer the Usyk fight but it looks like he'll fight Chisora in Feb.

Joshua will probably fight Pulev next. Hearn said yesterday that the IBF belt is more importantly historically than the WBO belt. And Pulev is mandatory for the IBF belt. 

Usyk will probably fight either Chisora or Parker in the meantime. It all depends on whether Joshua vacates the WBO belt or not. Hearn said yesterday that Del Boy is not ranked high enough to fight for the WBO belt. And as I wrote on Sunday, Higgins has been badgering the WBO to book Usyk vs Parker.

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9 hours ago, jimufctna24 said:

Joshua will probably fight Pulev next. Hearn said yesterday that the IBF belt is more importantly historically than the WBO belt. And Pulev is mandatory for the IBF belt. 

Usyk will probably fight either Chisora or Parker in the meantime. It all depends on whether Joshua vacates the WBO belt or not. Hearn said yesterday that Del Boy is not ranked high enough to fight for the WBO belt. And as I wrote on Sunday, Higgins has been badgering the WBO to book Usyk vs Parker.

The multitude of belts situation is fucking insane, and not something I pay any attention to. For me, it's the RING Magazine rankings all the way, and they don't have a definitive heavyweight champion at present. There's three main players in the division. We all know who they are. Parker or Usyk being handed a shot at a belt that they don't really deserve makes no difference.

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Unfortunately its how it goes with the mandatory situation. AJ wants to fight earlyish next year so with Wilder/Fury tied (thought im still not convinced it happens) knocking off a mandatory makes sense, and it's more than likely Pulev. 

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Yeah, but it doesn't mean that people need to recognise these belts and their holders as legit. I mean, if Joshua vacates the WBO belt and lets say Parker beats Usyk in an eliminator fight, is anyone gonna be like "well, Fury, Wilder and Joshua may be the main players, but Parker is in the mix as well as world champion"?

Of course not. The belts mean fuck all in the grand scheme of things. The important pieces of the division are Joshua and Wilder with belts, and fury as former undisputed champion who never lost the title in the ring. The others matter not a jot unless they beat one of those three.

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I see what you're saying, but thats just the way boxing goes. As long as there's 4 governing bodies all jockying for position with mandatories and getting their belt inline to be defended there's always gonna be bullshit like that Usyk/Parker situation you mention above.

You dont need to look far to see many examples of guys becoming world champions without really deserving it or even beating a champ to become champ. I guess its how someone defends a belt that truly solidifies their position as a legit world champion. Joshua's initial path is great proof of that, he first became champ beating a guy who won a vacant belt in a fight where a guy injured his knee and couldnt continue. Joshua went on to defend the same belt 6 times, i guess by that he'd proven he was a legit world champion.

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People only pay attention to the actions of certain governing bodies because they explain why certain fights are made and others are not. 

Of course no one is going to say that Parker, if he wins the WBO belt, is in the same bracket as Fury. I don't think that needed to be said. I mean, Charr holds a version of the WBA belt, yet he isn't ranked in RING's top 10, or even in contention to fight anyone notable at the minute.

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