Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 I think he's possibly the most spineless person in politics today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: I think he's possibly the most spineless person in politics today. Card subject to change. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: I think he's possibly the most spineless person in politics today. I think he's in good company to be honest but the point taken, he might well be spineless, but I think he's also very wary of outright telling Israel what to do considering he took over a party in the middle of an antisemitism scandal and has worked at making people forget it. He knows that if he comes out in any way appearing to be against Israel, the opposition and the papers will twist it completely. I'm not convinced a Labour civil war is a better look, but I guess that's the chance he's taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperBacon Posted November 17, 2023 Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 I don’t think he's scared of telling Israel what to do because of antisemitism. I think he's scared of telling Israel what to do because of the trade the UK do with them. He is all about business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, tiger_rick said: I think he's in good company to be honest but the point taken, he might well be spineless, but I think he's also very wary of outright telling Israel what to do considering he took over a party in the middle of an antisemitism scandal and has worked at making people forget it. He knows that if he comes out in any way appearing to be against Israel, the opposition and the papers will twist it completely. I'm not convinced a Labour civil war is a better look, but I guess that's the chance he's taking. I have said it before that it's a game and you have to play to win. Corbyn's Labour was rejected and Kier Starmer is doing all the plays that will get him a possible victory. And that means having to step in line to keep the press off him. I have not enjoyed his run as leader as much as I expected because he has been far to centre in my opinion. But he is also keeping the Tory rags off his back and by keeping things neutral he isn't heading for another election landslide defeat. I just hope if they do get in, he will start being more lefty, but it's not looking good for now.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 It's almost like he thinks that in less than a year he'll be PM and will actually have to sit with other world leaders looking for solutions. I appreciate there's a big appetite for meaningless, gesture politics amongst the British electorate but it's pretty obvious that any careless words now will cause issue down the road (where they may actually matter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members mim731 Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: He is all about business. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: It's almost like he thinks that in less than a year he'll be PM and will actually have to sit with other world leaders looking for solutions. The solution being Israel stops murdering children and bombing hospitals and schools? I can see why he'd take the middle ground now, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperBacon Posted November 17, 2023 Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: It's almost like he thinks that in less than a year he'll be PM and will actually have to sit with other world leaders looking for solutions. Oh absolutely, I think we can all see that, but can still have issue with what he says/does/acts. Appreciate you're not saying we can't just to clarify. I also know that all of the people that have stuck to his whip and have voted for the continued bombing of the Palestinian people, are clearly angling for a top cabinet role (looking at you Lammy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: The solution being Israel stops murdering children and bombing hospitals and schools? I can see why he'd take the middle ground now, sure. Do you actually think this vote was for a ceasefire? Like Hamas & Israel were watching Parliament TV waiting for instruction? It was a meaningless vote, mostly divided by semantics. The whole 'Labour rebellion' has largely disappeared from the news cycle already as there was no consequence to any of this. Edited November 17, 2023 by Dead Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Did he ever stop being funded by Trevor Chinn? Or is it still anti-semitic to bring up the pro-israel lobbyists funding him and almost half of his cabinet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperBacon Posted November 17, 2023 Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: It was a meaningless vote, mostly divided by semantics. Can I ask why so many prominent Labour MPs have quit or were sacked then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: Can I ask why so many prominent Labour MPs have quit or were sacked then? Apparently to appease their constituents and stay on the 'gravy train'. Or because they believe its good PR whilst others disagree. Same as joining picket lines. It'll make no material difference to the cause but there's differing opinions on how it benefits them in the public eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperBacon Posted November 17, 2023 Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 Just now, Dead Mike said: Apparently to appease their constituents and stay on the 'gravy train'. Or because they believe its good PR whilst others disagree. Same as joining picket lines. It'll make no material difference to the cause but there's differing opinions on how it benefits them in the public eye. OK, that's the ones that quit sorted then and that's a POV I can see why people would take. If it was a meaningless vote, why were they sacked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted November 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: It was a meaningless vote Starmer fans love that phrase in a number of contexts, don't they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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