Paid Members garynysmon 1,831 Posted December 30, 2020 Paid Members Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, air_raid said: All down to the execution. Bret and Ted made it look good at Survivors 90 without the top rope even being involved. Breaking my heart in the process. Good shout to be fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members Devon Malcolm 14,134 Posted December 31, 2020 Paid Members Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Have only skimmed this thread but didn't HBK have a period where he was using a side suplex as a finisher? Even back then it seemed like a piss-weak finisher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members wandshogun09 7,239 Posted December 31, 2020 Paid Members Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Yeah, that was around 92 when he first turned heel and went into singles. Looked crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members garynysmon 1,831 Posted December 31, 2020 Paid Members Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Wasn't it called a teardrop suplex? Have a recollection of it being referred to as that in one of the old sticker albums. Edited December 31, 2020 by garynysmon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members air_raid 3,530 Posted December 31, 2020 Paid Members Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, garynysmon said: Wasn't it called a teardrop suplex? Have a recollection of it being referred to as that in one of the old sticker albums. Was it though, or was that just a video game retcon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members Chris B 4,414 Posted December 31, 2020 Paid Members Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, air_raid said: Was it though, or was that just a video game retcon? According to this compilation, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was called the Patented Side Suplex. In this interview, he mentions 'what I later heard was called the teardrop suplex' (https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-news-shawn-michaels-reveals-whose-idea-the-sweet-chin-music-was-if-he-has-a-deal-with-the-wwe-performance-center), so it looks like it was retconned. Videogame or something else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbabba 33 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Even if you ignore the fact Ronda's shoulders were clearly up, the ending of the Wrestlemania 35 main event was dire. Hardly an emphatic way to start the title reign of head badass Becky Lynch. And even if WWE thought Ronda was coming back (which I assume they didn't), then she still should have tapped clean to the disarm-her in order to really cement Lynch as the man.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The King Of Swing 1,226 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On the subject of flash/counter pins, Bret Hart put on a masterclass at the 1993 King of The Ring. Beat Razor by countering a top rope suplex, beat Mr. Perfect by reversing a small package and then beat Bam Bam with a victory roll. I bloody love the Bret/Perfect match. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members Carbomb 5,485 Posted January 3 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 3 On 12/31/2020 at 1:10 AM, Chris B said: According to this compilation, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was called the Patented Side Suplex. In this interview, he mentions 'what I later heard was called the teardrop suplex' (https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-news-shawn-michaels-reveals-whose-idea-the-sweet-chin-music-was-if-he-has-a-deal-with-the-wwe-performance-center), so it looks like it was retconned. Videogame or something else? Looking at how he does it, it looks like a shit Angle Slam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
simonworden 274 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 On 12/31/2020 at 8:46 AM, bbabba said: Even if you ignore the fact Ronda's shoulders were clearly up, the ending of the Wrestlemania 35 main event was dire. Hardly an emphatic way to start the title reign of head badass Becky Lynch. And even if WWE thought Ronda was coming back (which I assume they didn't), then she still should have tapped clean to the disarm-her in order to really cement Lynch as the man.  Imagine if a similar finish had been done in the Austin/Michaels Wrestlemania 14 match. The ending to that match (alongside the fact it HAD to be a 3 way) is as bad as they ending of Starrcade 97 in my books. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members air_raid 3,530 Posted January 4 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, simonworden said: Imagine if a similar finish had been done in the Austin/Michaels Wrestlemania 14 match. The ending to that match (alongside the fact it HAD to be a 3 way) is as bad as they ending of Starrcade 97 in my books. Graves highlighting the botch is the worst bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members jazzygeofferz 2,351 Posted January 4 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) @air_raidRemember all those surfer Sting matches we watched on the network where we became convinced that his finisher was actually a schoolboy rollup rather than the Stinger Splash or Scorpion Deathlock? Edited January 4 by jazzygeofferz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members garynysmon 1,831 Posted January 4 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) As @Mr.Showtime pointed out earlier, the ending to Bret/Yoko at WMX was very weak wasn't it? Not sure that falling from the second rope should ever have that much of an effect. They should have had Bret make Yoko submit cleanly in the middle of the ring, which would have been poetic justice for Fuji's interference at WM9 and made sense as they clearly had no plans for Yokozuna in the main event scene after mid-94 anyway. I think he was only ever involved in the tag team scene and jobbing to Vader after that, there was no reason to try and protect him. Kudos also to Scott Steiner for hitting the world's worst frankensteiner at Wrestlemania 9.  Edited January 4 by garynysmon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members tiger_rick 11,867 Posted January 4 Author Paid Members Report Share Posted January 4 22 minutes ago, garynysmon said: They should have had Bret make Yoko submit cleanly in the middle of the ring, which would have been poetic justice for Fuji's interference at WM9 and made sense as they clearly had no plans for Yokozuna in the main event scene after mid-94 anyway. I think he was only ever involved in the tag team scene and jobbing to Vader after that, there was no reason to try and protect him. He was pretty much the main event of Survivor Series with The Undertaker so it made sense to keep him as strong as possible. It never hurt Bret at all, the focus immediately shifted to him and Owen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paid Members garynysmon 1,831 Posted January 4 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 4 58 minutes ago, tiger_rick said: He was pretty much the main event of Survivor Series with The Undertaker so it made sense to keep him as strong as possible. It never hurt Bret at all, the focus immediately shifted to him and Owen. Nah, Yoko was well and truly on the way down even before the Survivor Series. He lost to Earthquake in a sumo match, his own fucking gimmick! He arsed about with Crush on tags but his star was clearly on the wane. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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