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Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Haha! It's starting 7am here. Which is a little early for a Sunday but much preferable to staying up through the night. Although if there was any Fight Night I'd stay up for (hey yo), it'd be this one. Not just because Whittaker's my favourite, but also Shogun vs. Nog and Werdum vs. Gus are both intriguing for a number of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2020 Yeah it genuinelyΒ feels like a PPV for me, this. There have been fairly recent PPVs Iβve been less hyped about than this. Donβt really stay up for UFCs much these days. Since the kids cameΒ along, every minute I can get of sleep is vital. But Iβm tempted to get up to catchΒ the last 3 fights live. Robert Whittaker vs Darren Till - Donβt know quite what to make of this one. Iβm definitely looking forward to it but I canβt really envision how it plays out. No doubt itβll be predominantly a standup battle but Tillβs a weird one. Sometimes he comes outΒ aggressive like the Cerrone and Masvidal fights. Other times he plays the cautious game and goes for points like against Wonderboy and Gastelum. If itβs a dogfight I favour Whittaker but I can see Till trying to go the technical route here.Β Whittaker by decision. Just still really unsure about Till. Especially at the top level. The Gastelum win wasnβt the most exciting fight but it was a strong performance from Till. But Gastelumβs in a slump too and that win is looking a bit less impressive as time goes on. Just think Whittaker is more proven, heβsΒ tougher, maybe more powerful, more experienced in 5 rounders etc. Iβm not fully convinced on Till as a top guy. A win in impressive fashion here would changeΒ that but I reckon Whittaker gets it done.Β Shogun Rua vs Little Nog 3 - Now itβs here Iβm well up for this. Even though itβll probably look like itβs in slow motion. Itβs Shogun vs Nog 3. Despite going the distance twice, Iβve got a strong feeling this one isnβt seeing the final buzzer for some reason. I think the combination of them both being slower and more battle worn means a bomb is more likely to detonate and neither can quite absorb it like they used to.Β Shogun by KO/TKO, I reckon. Itβs a tossup really though. And as I said before, thereβs a chance Nog comes in looking better thanΒ weβve been used to in recent years. For one, itβs his last fight so heβs got nothing to lose. Zero pressure about where the result takes him next etc. Heβs free to just go out,Β let loose and leave it all in there. And also, heβs 0-2 to Shogun already so heβll be motivated as fuck to get one back and go out on a W. I just think Shogunβs the more powerful and less knackered of the two.Β Fabricio Werdum vs Alexander Gustafsson - Another really tough call. Like I said, itβs so hard to know what weβre getting out of both men here. Werdum is getting old, didnβt look the best in his first fight back from the USADA naughty stepΒ against Oleynik. Gus is coming out ofΒ retirement, hasnβt fought in over a year, lost his last 2, is moving up to Heavyweight and looks a bit pudgy. Itβs almost impossible to analyse this one. Any prediction is gut feeling or a shot in the dark really.Β Iβll say Werdum by submission. Wonβt be shocked at all if Fat Gus clobbers him but thereβs something Iβm not feeling about his comeback. And even though Werdum is getting up in age and looked a bit cack last time, he should be a bit less rusty now and heβs always got that killer ground game plus very good standup. I think he can hang or beat Gus anywhere whereas Gus has to win this on the feet. Fuck knows? Could be an ugly one this but Iβm intrigued. Sure I read that this is Werdumβs last fight on his contract as well and it sounds like heβs looking to go elsewhere. Even in his 40s, I think Bellatorβs Heavyweight division could do with a guy like Werdum.Β Carla Esparza vs Marina Rodriguez - Not too fussed with this. Like I said in the opening post, itβs the Esparza Effect. Rodriguez has looked pretty good so far, in fairness. Hopefully she can make it more watchable than your typical Esparza snoozer.Β Rodriguez on points for me. Thereβs always the chance Esparza gets the wrestling going and just blankets her way to a lacklustre decision. But I like the look of Rodriguez. I think her height and lankiness could make things tricky and she outclasses Esparza on the feet. Just has the feel of Esparza being on the way down and Rodriguez ascending to me. Paul Craig vs Gadzhimurad Antigulov - The face-off at the weigh in was quite heated, they had to be separated. Think this might be a bit of a darkhorse FOTN contender actually. Itβs understandably been lost in the shuffle amongst the bigger names andΒ talking points on this card but purely as a matchup, this might be the show stealer. Both are aggressive and both always go for the finish but both have also shown vulnerabilities as well so that adds to excitement.Β Feeling Antigulov by KO/TKO for some reason. Donβt really know why and I hope Iβm wrong because I quite like Craig. Iβd love to see another submission but my gut is telling me Antigulov clips him somewhere along the lineΒ and closes the show. Alex Oliveira vs Peter Sobotta - Not sure what weβre getting here. Oliveira is usually in entertaining fights but we havenβt seen much of Sobotta recently so who knows how heβll look? Oliveira by decision. Maybe a stoppage but Iβll go with points. Oliveira is a level or two below that championship contender bracket but he usually does well at this level. And that combined with Sobottaβs lay-off has me expecting a fairly comfy Cowboy win. Khamzat Chimaev vs Rhys McKee - Looking forward to this as much as those top 3 fights really. Be good to see howΒ Chimaev looks back at 170 compared to his debut at 185. And as unfamiliar as I was on McKee, doing a bit of digging this week I think he looks solid himself. Itβs almost a shame heβs got to debut against this fucker.Β Chimaev by submission. Just think itβll be too much to ask ofΒ McKee. Even with a full camp so with 6 days notice and the possible βOctagon jittersβ and all that, itβs not the ideal debut.Β Itβd be a hell of a story if he comes in and springs the upset under these circumstances but Iβm not fancying it. Chimaev looks the real deal so far,Β the way heβs being talked about, the clips of him dropping Gustafsson in sparring, the early Khabib-like suffocatingΒ grappling game. And thereβs just something about the way he carries himself. That quiet, stoic confidence like Khabib, Valentina etc. Itβs way early to get too carried away, but in the days of a million UFC cards,Β itβs rare a fighter makes a first impression like Chimaev has. Havenβt even thought about the prelims. Just too many fights to get to on this one.Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 25, 2020 And we were all going on about Gustafssonβs lockdown diet... Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Nice little preview video for anyone interested: Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polish Dad Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Maybe it's been talked about elsewhere and I've missed it - but what's the point of them all wearing masks if they're gonna pull them down for a face to face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Really enjoyed the main event. Chuffed with the result as well.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Yeah, that was a chess match. Really cool. Seen some of the Sherdog types bitching about it, not enough brain damage for them, but they proved early that they could drop and hurt each other, and that created a massive sense of tension for the rest of the fight, at least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I appreciate they've largely been against the very top guys but Till's last five have been a dodgy split win over Wonderboy after missing weight, getting subbed by Woodley, flattened by Masvidal, winning a snoozefest split over Gastellum (which looks worse in hindsight) and getting handled last night. I don't want to write him off completely but he seems like one of these guys who Rogan, Schaub etc latch onto and talk up before he's proven much. He needs to drop down a level and win a couple of fights impressively imo before they put him back in with any of the top guys. Whittaker is absolutely brilliant in fairness and still seems to go under the radar a bit. Just shows you how good Adesanya is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) Loved this show. I think there were a few too manyΒ fights myself but Iβm not going to complain about that and nobody is being forced to watch every single fight. I saw most of it though and apart from the odd exception it was a really enjoyable show. Whittaker vs Till was good stuff. So happy to see Whittaker back in the win column. Heβs had a shite time since the Adesanya loss. Itβs good to see him get a positive moment and put in such a strong performance. I think @MarshmalloΒ is right about Till. I think itβs a fair assessment. Heβs a good fighter but I think his last few fights have shown that heβs probably not the elite player everyone seems to want him to be. Even the Gastelum win, Iβm starting to wonder if Gastelum is fucked from that war with Adesanya. He hasnβt looked right since to me. Till will be back but I would like to see him stepped back a bit. The way the UFC is, theyβll probably throw him in with another killer like Cannonier or something but Iβd like to see him scaled back slightly. Looking back, him smashing up Cerrone aΒ few years ago mightβve been more of a curse than a blessing. Before that he was steadily climbing and heβd already gone to a draw with Nicolas Dalby. He battered Cerrone and all of a sudden the hype train went madΒ and he seemed to skip a few levels.Β They had the Liverpool card coming and understandably he was put in the main event but it all seemed to happen very quickly. He barely scraped by Wonderboy, manyΒ felt he lost, but to go from the guys he was fighting pre-Cowboy to being thrown at Wonderboy, Woodley, Masvidal etc.Β Maybe he wasnβt ready. His gob kind of works against him as well. A guy like Till will always get big name fights because heβs got a following andΒ heβll usually hypeΒ his fight up. Itβs not all doom and gloom. He didnβt look out of place against Whittaker. But itβs clear heβs struggling against the top boys. Is Anderson Silva still fighting? I wouldnβt be surprised if we saw Till vs the Spider. Itβs still a name fight that can headline aΒ card, but itβs one the UFC would probably fancy Till to pick up a W in. As for Bobby Knuckles, Iβd like to see him in with Cannonier or Hermansson next. Either of those would be great and they make sense in the title race while we wait for this Izzy vs Costa thing to play out.Β Shogun vs Nog 3 didnβt get FOTN but it was the FOTN for me. Really enjoyed it.Β Even as battered as they are now, I think these two are incapable of having a bad fight together. Another close one too. Itβs actually kind of a shame the trilogyΒ ended withΒ Nogueira 0-3 down because that doesnβt really tell the true tale of their series. The first fight legitimately couldβve gone either way. I remember the second one being pretty close as well, although I felt Shogun rightly got the nod. Now here they are again, going to a split decision in another really fun fight. A fitting farewell fightΒ for Little Nog. It wouldβve been a nice moment to see them both retire after this one actually.Β The closer we got toΒ Werdum vs Gustafsson, I got the feeling it was going to be over quick either way. Donβt know what it was Β but I had a strong feeling weβd either see Gus use his newfound bulk to crack Werdum one and put him out. Or weβd see what actually happened. Bit sad to see Gus come out of retirement for that. I mean, he wasnβt looking too bad for the first minute or so but still. To get done in under 3 minutes in whatβs supposed to be your fresh start isnβt ideal, is it?Β Like I said before the show, all I was seeing online was people going βLOL at people thinking Werdum finishes Gusβ. As if it was some crazy prediction. I love the use of the Ribas laugh there but I never got why people were so confident Gus was winning this, or that Werdum couldnβt finish him. Werdum is a world class fighter,Β one of the best Heavyweights in MMA history and maybe THE best submission artist ever in the division (fuck you,Β Mir). I think too much stock was put in his dodgy showing against Oleynik but that was after about 2 years on the shelf.Β Donβt know whatβs next for either man. It was the last fight on WerdumβsΒ contract so the timing of this win for him was handy. Can see him going to Bellator myself but maybe the UFC make him a better offer now. Heβs 43 but itβs not like the Heavyweight division can afford to just lose elite guys right now. Gus...not a clue. Unless heβs still gotΒ the motivationΒ toΒ dropΒ back to 205, Iβve no desire to see him fucking about with Greg Hardy, getting mopped up by Ngannou, or anything in between.Β Chimaev looks like the real deal, doesnβt he? Fucking hell. Poor McKee never even got started here. The way Chimaev picked him up and walked across the cageΒ with him, I have more trouble picking my daughter up and putting her in bed when sheβs not cooperating. Proper big brother stuff. And once he got on top it was a wrap. Just crushed him. Felt sorry for McKee. He was always up against it, opponent wise and with the short notice, butΒ this was a total mauling. Still going to hold off on declaring this guy the next Khabib yet though. Heβs looked terrifying in his fights so far but itβs still early days and both opponents accepted him on a few days notice and clearly didnβt know what they were signing up for. If he keeps doing this as he moves up the levels though...Christ almighty.Β Didnβt watch the Fight Pass bit. Just too many fights. A card Frank Warren would be proud of. But I might catch the Nathaniel Wood fight later if I get chance. Rest of the prelims were pretty good.Β Thought Francisco Trinaldo vs Jai Herbert was a reallyΒ good fight. Trinaldo is still a handful at 43 or whatever he isΒ now. Iβve seen a bit of moaning about the stoppage but Iβm not having it. Herbert was done. Felder went on a little rant about it as well and I agree with every word... I think Herbert will be fun to watch going forward though. Especially matched up with the strikers of the division. You donβt see Trinaldo get put on his arse much. Wouldnβt be at all against seeing that originally planned Herbert vs Diakiese fight rebooked now.Β Jesse Ronson had an impressive return. Didnβt expect him to put Dalby away like that. Based on his past stints I donβtΒ expect him to go much further but I liked his little post-fight interview talking about 6β3β Lightweights living on lettuce and ice cubes. βEat sumthin!β πΒ Iβd beΒ up for him vsΒ Luis Pena next.Β Tom Aspinall had about the perfect UFC debut. Canβt beat a firstΒ minute stoppage to make a first impression. I liked AspinallΒ until Gooden read out Belal Muhammadβs tweet comparing to Frank Mir. Now thatβs all Iβll think of when I see him. Heβs ruined.Β Tanner Boser has had a good month or so. Two big finishes back-to-back.Β Heβs looked pretty decent since the Ciryl Gane loss. Moves deceptively well for a son ofΒ Roy Nelson. Fun show all in all. In all honesty, Iβd have just settled for Whittaker and Shogun winning but the fights themselves delivered for the most part too.Β Edited July 26, 2020 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: Iβve seen a bit of moaning about the stoppage but Iβm not having it. Herbert was done. Felder went on a little rant about it as well and I agree with every word... Most of the moaning I have seen has been about Dean not stopping it soon enough.Β Dan Hardy gave Dean a right bollocking: Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasty Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I think Till's main problem is that he doesn't seem to be too good at adapting mid-fight. If his game plan is working for him then he's great at being disciplined and sticking to it (e.g. Thompson &Β Gastelum) but if his opponent manages to work him out during the fight he doesn't really do anything to adjust and keeps going for the same thing (e.g Masvidal & Whittaker).Β He'll be dangerous early on against almost anyone but will often struggle against the very top guys the longer the fight goes on. All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed that card. I don't think there was a particularly badΒ fight on the whole show and even the people I usually don't really have much interest in had decent fights. If anyone hasn't seen the prelims, theΒ first round of Evloev vs Grundy is well worth watching. It stopped being competitive during the second round but the first had some excellent grappling exchanges. 8 minutes ago, jimufctna24 said: Most of the moaning I have seen has been about Dean not stopping it soon enough.Β Yeah, me too. I think what made it worse is that Dean did the same thing in an earlier fight where he let another take some unnecessaryΒ shots after they were clearly done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted July 26, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2020 Otter Pops are just plain old ice pops. Disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2020 Yeah there was more people saying it was a late stoppage but I definitely saw a few last night acting like Herbert was intelligently defending himself. I guess Felder saw the same stuff and that was what he was responding to in that video. Truthfully, thereβs been much worse stoppages over the years. Even recently, I was more uncomfortable with the Yan vs Aldo stoppage than this. But he was clearly done and Herb just stood there. The fact Trinaldo waited a few seconds and Herbert still never tried to get up, cover up, sod allΒ shouldβve told Dean that he was gone at that point. Thankfully he seemed OK after but that last 3 or 4 punches was punishment he shouldnβt have been taking and thatβs on Herb Dean. Like I said, thereβs been worse. This oneβs probablyΒ going to get more play because of the wayΒ Hardy and Felder reacted to it though.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Dead Mike said: Otter Pops are just plain old ice pops. Disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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