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On 9/12/2020 at 11:19 PM, SuperBacon said:

Cuties

This film about a young Senegalese girl, and her attempts at fitting in with a group of young girls who dance, has caused a massive shitstorm and seen members of Congress attempt to shut down Netflix for peddling 'child pornography'.

Erm, no. There is no denying that the girls, supposedly around 11 years old, are overtly sexual in their dance routines and actions, and the film does make you uncomfortable sometimes, but that is because it brilliantly showcases just how young people can be forced to grow up before their childhood has had time to happen, and the intense pressures they, especially girls, find themselves facing.

I'd rather listen to the director explain exactly what she intended, than some fucking NRA spokesman or some Breitbart weirdo who doesn't understand what she's saying. The girls are all fantastic, especially Fathia Youssof in the lead, and asks interesting questions on society. 

I think this is a disingenuous characterisation of the complaints about the film. I've heard plenty of reasonable concerns. For example making it's point by actually sexualizing children.

I haven't seen the film so I can't challenge your conclusions but I've seen enough to put me off watching it.

Edited by Chest Rockwell

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5 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

For example making it's point by actually sexualizing children.

This is my main issue with it. It didn't need to be done by actually doing the one thing it's trying to 'fight' against.

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37 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

I think this is a disingenuous characterisation of the complaints about the film. I've heard plenty of reasonable concerns. For example making it's point by actually sexualizing children.

I haven't seen the film so I can't challenge your conclusions but I've seen enough to put me off watching it.

Sorry mate, you'll have to explain further as you've lost me.

I'm talking about opinions that I have seen in articles that I have read. They were from such people as Congressman, NRA spokespeople and a Breitbart columnist, one of which (maybe more,it didn't say) has admitted to not having seen it and never will.

I'm also talking about what I have got from the film, and how I received it. If you, or anyone else sees it differently, then that's fine? 

I don't believe that it is sexualizing them for the sake of it, rather doing it in a way that offers real context to the way young people face issues in society.

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There is more outrage against the film then there is against TV shows like Tantrums and Tiaras and Dance Moms (both of which I have had the misfortune of sitting through some episodes) as well as the American child beauty pageant industry. One is a dramatization, the other is real life and both are hideous. Netflix marketing of the film has caused the most outrage. I have no idea who approved their poster for it, but it was absolutely stupid. 

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8 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Netflix marketing of the film has caused the most outrage. I have no idea who approved their poster for it, but it was absolutely stupid. 

Yes, most of the outrage wasn't against the movie - it was against how Netflix advertised it, and the assumptions people (understandably) reached based on the initial promotional graphic. I haven't seen the movie, and I expect @Chest Rockwell is correct in that there's a much broader and more nuanced debate around the content itself, but the outrage came before anyone had watched it.

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Just for those unaware, here is the original poster and the one Netflix issued besides itcuties-posters-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=al

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26 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

Sorry mate, you'll have to explain further as you've lost me.

I'm talking about opinions that I have seen in articles that I have read. They were from such people as Congressman, NRA spokespeople and a Breitbart columnist, one of which (maybe more,it didn't say) has admitted to not having seen it and never will.

What I was saying is that there is plenty of reasonable and well articulated criticism from people who have actually seen the film. So it's not all reactionary morality police.

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1 hour ago, Chest Rockwell said:

What I was saying is that there is plenty of reasonable and well articulated criticism from people who have actually seen the film. So it's not all reactionary morality police.

Fine, but I haven't read/seen them, so I was going on what I had read/seen which was reactionary bullshit from people who had just seen a poster. Taken out of context, with no awareness, that poster obviously looks ridiculous. Whoever thought that was OK is a dolt.

If you have links to articles by people who have seen the film and take umbrage with it, please share them as I'd be interested to read them. 

I can also understand the POV from some people about the film, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I really don't see any controversy in it. I thought it was a really great film.

Edit: Just seen this and thought it was worth sharing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cuties-director-maimouna-doucoure-why-i-made-the-film/2020/09/15/7e0ee406-f78b-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

Edited by SuperBacon
saw the article

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The Final Girls - I absolutely poxy well loved this movie. I had no idea it existed and it was just fantastic, really.
Comparisons to Cabin in the Woods are fair, but it played out like a more funner Cabin in the Woods by way of Jumanji. Absolutely tremendous stuff and can't wait to watch it again.
The characters are so likeable and easy to invest in, and Malin Akerman is just such an absolute dote in this.

Hounds of Love - The missus certainly loves these bleak ones and this was bleak. Well acted and all, but my goodness, I must really like herself because I really don't like these sort of films and don't know why I do it to myself. Kind of like when I paid money for us to see Bon fucking Iver.

A Good Woman is Hard to Find - Third time watching it. Still astoundingly cool and one of my fave flicks of the 2010s. I would literally cast Sarah Bolger in everything, ever.

Goodfellas - Fifth time watching it. It's grand. I still don't see the fuss about it, and think Casino is infinitely better, but I obviously have a mental block or some repressed rebellion against that movie because again, herself and my niece and nephew all teed off on me about how wrong I am in saying "It's alright, like..."
 

 


 

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The Final Girls is really good but it's also got a surprising emotional streak through it that gives it that extra something. Lovely stuff.

I saw Hounds of Love at the cinema. It was horrible shit. Nobody else was in and I'm not surprised.

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14 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said:

The Final Girls is really good but it's also got a surprising emotional streak through it that gives it that extra something. Lovely stuff.

 

I actually genuinely teared up at the end when Bette Davis eyes kicked in. It was just so tragically lovely.


What made it a little bit more on top for us, was the fact our niece and nephew live with us because they lost their mother - and their dad is sub fucking pondscum -  so my niece was upset at the end, and with the whole Akerman/Farmiga arc running through it in general, but she said she loved it, and it actually helped her in a weird way.

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It really was such an unexpected subplot, who could have expected that in a film like this? Yet it also really felt like it belonged. A real shame we never got a sequel but it's a little gem.

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7 hours ago, cobra_gordo said:

The fishing scene was marvellous.

It sure is! I adore the passive aggressive / shithousing way McMurphy introduces everyone as Doctor except "Mr Harding", absolute brilliance.  I was annoyed when I saw there is some Nurse Ratched "Origin" story coming up, not everything needs a fucking origin story.  Then I saw Sarah Paulson is in it so I might give it a watched based on her alone.

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5 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Just for those unaware, here is the original poster and the one Netflix issued besides it

It appears from what I've read that a film that uses the sexualised presentation of children to highlight society's over sexualised presentation of children in mainstream media has been advertised by Netflix using an un-necessarily sexualised presentation of children.

It's a bit of an own goal from Netflix and sort of proves the point of the film. 

That said I don't agree with the film making logic of the sexualisation of children to make it's point.

In summary, everyone is a bit of a cunt.

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3 hours ago, Scott Malbranque said:

Goodfellas - Fifth time watching it. It's grand. I still don't see the fuss about it, and think Casino is infinitely better, but I obviously have a mental block or some repressed rebellion against that movie because again, herself and my niece and nephew all teed off on me about how wrong I am in saying "It's alright, like..."

 

 


 

Summed up my thoughts on it. 

It's goid, but not THAT good and Casino is better

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