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3 minutes ago, RedRooster said:

I honestly think - and I mean this in the kindest possible way - you’ve missed the point a little bit, given what you’re saying as a whole. I’d suggest giving it a few months and revisiting the game with some of the points made here in mind.

Ellie clearly didn’t forgive Abby. 

Of course I can see where you’re coming from and I’ll be playing it again probably when the PS5 releases so my PS4 doesn’t sound like it’s going to blow up,  in my view though where she was drowning Abby and then a flash of Joel came to her mind thus letting Abby get away with Lev, leading to the final flashback of Joel and Ellie in which Ellie says she’d like to try to forgive him for what he’s done.

She was no longer angry at Joel transferring the fact that she was no longer angry at Abby, she accepted what had happened and moved on from revenge to forgiveness. 

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Ellie’s birthday is the best level I’ve ever played in any game. The sense of childish delight, Ellie and Joel bouncing off each other as Dad and daughter, putting the hats on the Dinosaurs. As an exp

Why is it madness? The whole point of the story is that their is no villain. People are complex and deeply flawed. Playing as Abby shows this and that violence, vengeance and hate lead to nothing but

Completely disagree on all counts. As far as Abby goes, it’s a ballsy move, and it allows for moments that just wouldn’t be possible if it were a movie, book or TV show. You end up playing as that per

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Not really, she moved from hate and revenge to despair and hopelessness. Ellie doesn't forgive Abby, she just realises how far she has gone and that killing Abby won't change anything. She breaks in that moment, she doesn't forgive.

What makes the final flashback so emotionally devastating is that the reason Ellie is in so much pain is that Joel's murder took away Ellie's chance to ever forgive him. That's the real tragedy for her and what she can't accept.

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I didn’t get that she forgave her at all just that she realises it’s all futile and her humanity wins through at the end.

What that final flashback does show is that people have the capacity for forgiveness so maybe there is hope for her. Come on Druckmann you twat give me Part 3 where it’s just happy family simulator and baby potato grows up with two mummies!

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What were everyone's favourite bits in the game?

I loved the bit where Tommy is sniping at Abby and she has to fight her way up to him. Especially when Mannys head gets blown off. Also the whole section on the island had me on the edge of my seat.

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Ellie’s birthday is the best level I’ve ever played in any game. The sense of childish delight, Ellie and Joel bouncing off each other as Dad and daughter, putting the hats on the Dinosaurs. As an expectant Dad to a daughter it absolutely blew me away. By the time they were in the spaceship, with that wonderful music playing, I was crying my eyes out.

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52 minutes ago, Supremo said:

Ellie’s birthday is the best level I’ve ever played in any game. The sense of childish delight, Ellie and Joel bouncing off each other as Dad and daughter, putting the hats on the Dinosaurs. As an expectant Dad to a daughter it absolutely blew me away. By the time they were in the spaceship, with that wonderful music playing, I was crying my eyes out.

As mentioned on the last page, this is mine too. Gorgeous. 

For action, the descent from the skybridge down to the depths of hell in the hospital was heart stopping stuff.

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