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The more serious this situation has developed, the oddly calmer I've been about it all. It's almost like my anxiety and fear of these situations happening outweigh the reality of when they actually do happen. I cannot do anything but stay inside. Also I thought something like this would be more dramatic. Instead Greggs closed.

Every generation goes through something like this be it war or disease. Lets hope we learn the rights lessons from this

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I honestly think the way we work is going to shift when this is all said and done. A lot of businesses who refuse to let people work from home are now finding that they have had to, and it's been more positive then negative. I can see home working becoming a lot more of a common thing when this is all said and done.

And from a hygene point of view, I hope we continue being conscious of washing our hands more often.

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9 hours ago, BigJag said:

She even managed to soak up a bit of sun in the garden today. As her mother was displaying some of the symptoms.

Amazingly sunbathing is one part of the health guidelines to beat the virus!

If only the "hilarious" dude on here who pretended he had some friends around for a barbecue, had bragged about getting the sun beds out. He could have got a rise out of us and been factually correct (well not about having any friends 😂).

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Did a bit-more-than-a-weekly shop yesterday, and it was actually really pleasant. It felt like the preppers, panickers and stock-pilers were out of the way, and everyone was just making the best of things and trying to keep things as normal as possible. A couple of masks, plenty of social distance. This is actually a rare time I welcome a bit of email 'spam', because Sainsburys have been sending daily updates as to what measures they'll be introducing, like priority times for particular shoppers (NHS, elderly, etc.). Food is the main concern at this time, and although I know these messages are likely not being hand-penned by the big boss himself, it definitely helps reassure that things are under control as much as possible.

I'm in two minds wearing a mask. I invested in a proper fine filter mask. I don't have the virus, but I do want to minimise risks both if I'm carrying and if I'm yet to get hit. I know the filters don't work 100% on the transfer method (droplets rather than dust), but it's an extra safety measure. My other half is also wary of me wearing it, saying it advertises that I might have it, but that seems like catch-22. Plus if I do end up fighting the disease, I think looking like Scorpion from MK might give me a psychological advantage.

The other half's work sent a message this morning confirming they'll be looking at furlough for a number of their employees. We've looked at our outgoings and checked that, if needs be, 80% of our pay will cover everything without us having to dip into savings and whatnot. We've not got an expensive lifestyle, just a chunky mortgage, so we've made sure we're as financially and psychologically prepared as possible if things take the next big turn.

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8 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

As hilarious as this all is, I really would like some reassurance in how to deal with a wife who is panicking that she cannot work and is self employed so no idea when she has any money coming in (hopefully resolved tomorrow).  is having to look after 2 kids full time because my son was turned away from his school, even with EHC because of my wife having to give up work due to the lockdown, and worried if she gets it she will die. Just something to give me a glimmer of hope to stop her wanting to cry every few minutes.

 

If her main fear is about what happens to her if she gets it, it might be worth talking about the individual rather than the large-scale.

On an individual basis, your odds are great. You'd have to be a bit unlucky to get it. You'd have to be more unlucky to show symptoms. You'd have to be even more unlucky for the symptoms to be bad. You'd have to be really unlucky for the symptoms to be really bad. And you'd have to be incredibly unlucky to be life-or-death.

On an individual basis, her chances of being on the better side of all of those is pretty damn good. And the more careful she is, you are, and those around you are, the better the chances are.

What we're bad at is scaling up and keeping proportionality. It's difficult to think about, say, just how busy the London Underground is at any point in time. We can see that our carriage is busy and we can easily understand how busy the train is. We might be able to scale up to a train on each line being similar. But when we start to take into account all the trains on each line, it gets really complicated. Then all the people getting on and getting off... these are numbers we're not used to comprehending. And it's the same with this virus - it's difficult to make sense of on a personal basis. And because we have such huge networks, it feels very close when a friend of a friend, or someone close to someone you know a bit, gets it - whereas it's more down to just how many people you know.

The Excel centre etc is being used because the numbers are enormous - but that's separate to your personal odds.

Not sure if any of that will be reassuring, but it might be useful in terms of keeping some proportionality and avoiding catastrophising on a personal level.

 

EDIT - this doesn't mean be complacent. It's exactly because your network is so huge that you have to be careful - the odds of you infecting people are high if you have it, and the odds of that leading to someone getting it badly are even higher. And you don't know if you have it.

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7 minutes ago, Chris B said:

 

The Excel centre etc is being used because the numbers are enormous - but that's separate to your personal odds.

Not sure if any of that will be reassuring, but it might be useful in terms of keeping some proportionality and avoiding catastrophising on a personal level.

EDIT - this doesn't mean be complacent. It's exactly because your network is so huge that you have to be careful - the odds of you infecting people are high if you have it, and the odds of that leading to someone getting it badly are even higher. And you don't know if you have it.

These points are the ones that I think are most important, and easy to miss if you start feeling overwhelmed. I'd recommend a mental practice called fear-setting, where you write down the worst case scenarios, and then write next to each one what you can do to mitigate or avoid them. For a start, writing things down helps arrange your thoughts so you don't end up spiralling from one into the next. Secondly, it puts things into perspective for YOU in the situation. And thirdly, it breaks things down into manageable tasks or situations, which can make it much easier to understand. It's something I do fairly regularly anyway (once every few months, or if I start thinking about a big lifestyle change like a new job). I cover everything from running out of porridge oats to losing the house. It helps me, because I then know that, whatever happens, I'm ready to make the changes and take the actions to ensure my family's safety and wellbeing.

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Thanks @Chris B for another excellent and informative post. It's helped me if nothing else. Wife seems a bit better today. I think she got more sleep then she had been and a chance to switch off for a bit, but I will discuss your post with her later.

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1 hour ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

I honestly think the way we work is going to shift when this is all said and done. A lot of businesses who refuse to let people work from home are now finding that they have had to, and it's been more positive then negative. I can see home working becoming a lot more of a common thing when this is all said and done.

And from a hygene point of view, I hope we continue being conscious of washing our hands more often.

While I want to agree with you, I can’t help but feel like once things get relaxed (whenever that may be), the wider population will just go back to how we were before things escalated. We’ve seen plenty of people who either just don’t get the seriousness of it all or just blatantly flout what they’re being told to do

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1 hour ago, Lord-Mountevans said:

Amazingly sunbathing is one part of the health guidelines to beat the virus!

If only the "hilarious" dude on here who pretended he had some friends around for a barbecue, had bragged about getting the sun beds out. He could have got a rise out of us and been factually correct (well not about having any friends 😂).

It's not as cut and dried as that, unfortunately.  https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200323-coronavirus-will-hot-weather-kill-covid-19

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