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With no clarification regarding online retailers and manufacturing processes we're pressing on as usual until told othwrwise. I've seen more traffic and people out and about today than I did yesterday. How? Idiots. 

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Its OK to be out as long as you're a safe distance away. I assume most are not.

Has there ever been a stupider idea from Khan then to reduce the Tube service at this time? Its led to absolutely packed trains and platforms as people have to wait longer for tubes or all go to a station that isn't there usual one.

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They're clearly trying to minimise the economic impact. They have been from the start. They could have locked down earlier once they discovered their "herd immunity" scheme was a killer but they're desperate to keep the closures, job losses and loss of businesses to a minimum, is what it seems to me. Even now, they still have a list of exceptions, some which still seem unnecessary to me but it's clearly to keep as much work going as is possible. They'll be desperate to avoid a full shutdown like Italy.

I'm not sure about it myself but I am keen to get some jobs done round the house and garden so pleased some shops are still open. My pal's lad works at B&Q and they were asking people with symptoms to go in and ring 111 in front of a member of HR if they wanted to self-isolate, so they can fuck off.

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Just now, tiger_rick said:

They're clearly trying to minimise the economic impact.

Doesn't that make sense though? Complete closure reeks of chopping off our noses to spite our faces. Granted, we minimise the effects of a virus, but we then invite mass job losses, businesses going to the wall and so on, which will lead to a whole host of issues. Chuck in the shortage of basic goods, the month-long waiting list for supermarket food delivery in some areas, and it's a very dangerous mixture that could eventually make the dangers of the virus look like small potatoes.

What also astounds me is the amount of people who think that this government will be able to send everyone 80% of their lost wages.

Only a few short months back we thought they weren't capable of running a bath, and we were condemning them for how they treated unemployed people on benefits. now they're going to be writing cheques and handing out cash in a timely manner?

Not a fucking chance.

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46 minutes ago, David said:

Having seen the fallout from all of this, it should be clear to anyone with half a brain that it's entirely unworkable. So many different circumstances that there's no way to legislate for them all.

An absolute shambles.

I think what so many people seem to be missing here is that without having a complete list of every business, scenario or workplace with a yes or no applied next to it then it would be near impossible for absolute clarity at this stage. We will end up with everything bar supermarkets, pharmacies, Police, NHS/healthcare/care staff, fire brigade and army pretty much being shut down in the future and likely with all parks and public places shut with only short walks for excercise permitted outwith essential trips for medicine, food or medical/heath treatment. Yes it's pointless to ask people to use their common sense because a) so few people have any b) so many people still don't realise how serious this is c) you're always going to get the "they can't make me" idiots. There's far too many people having to go to work today who shouldn't be and it's not only increasing the risk of spreading the disease but it's unneccessarily putting them and their families at risk. Hopefully bosses make the right decisions where they can and shut down of their own accord but it shouldn't have to come to that. Despite what anyone thinks, nobody in any government in the UK or Ireland wants these type of conditions or to have to enforce them. They are only here because they are needed and that's that. For those with children split between 2 households, keep them split solely between those 2 households wherever possible. Nobody is suggesting an enforced 3 weeks of not seeing your kid if they're currently with the other parent but let's all make a real effort to not be one of the mutants who has been letting their children out to run about with a group of 20 of their mates to all then go home and potentially infect 20 families. This isn't fun for anyone and if it is then shouldn't be. Yes there's a gigantic strain on people in all manners whether it be mental health, financial or anything else however people are dying and it is. Very soon if not already we are going to have no medical care available for those who desperately need it and as with in other first world countries who've been experiencing all this ahead of us people are going to have to start making decisions about who they even try to save and lots of people who could have survived are going to die because we didnt have the people or equiptment to help them. Whose fault that is and all the policial stuff is at this stage entirely irrelevant and a discussion/argument to be had once as many of us as possible get through this. I wish each and everyone one of you, your friends and your families the best of luck and the best of health but we all need to accept how serious this is.

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There are a good number of manufacturing businesses around my way that have told staff they have to work as normal, or claim SSP(they won't apply for the 80% furlough payments on their behalfs). These are not what anyone would call "essential"(one is a huge door factory that employs hundreds of people). It's just asking for trouble...

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6 minutes ago, Cod Eye said:

There are a good number of manufacturing businesses around my way that have told staff they have to work as normal, or claim SSP(they won't apply for the 80% furlough payments on their behalfs). These are not what anyone would call "essential"(one is a huge door factory that employs hundreds of people). It's just asking for trouble...

If the company shuts its doors and quickly goes out of business it'll be "essential" to those who rely on it for wages. Some companies simply aren't in a position where they can shut up shop and see how it goes.

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For avoidance of doubt, the government really ought to define "essential" jobs - essential to who? To the public or to the company?

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Just now, Uncle Zeb said:

For avoidance of doubt, the government really ought to define "essential" jobs - essential to who? To the public or to the company?

That's the thing the company I mentioned is using to justify it's continued opening. The staff are essential to the company. It's a division of a huge, multi-national company so can't imagine it wouldn't qualify for help from the governments funds they announce. Also, from what I can see, their biggest costomers either have, or have planned to close their doors too.

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I do honestly think this country will not be the same after this. Its utterly exposed everything rotten that is here. We can only hope that some sort of post-war Atlee consensus comes in and we start to actually support the welfare state again.

This has also reminded a lot of people how fucking special the NHS is. I always hold it dear to my heart, but hopefully this reinforces those who dismiss it that while flawed, it is the greatest thing about this country.

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2 hours ago, Factotum said:

Its OK to be out as long as you're a safe distance away. I assume most are not.

Has there ever been a stupider idea from Khan then to reduce the Tube service at this time? Its led to absolutely packed trains and platforms as people have to wait longer for tubes or all go to a station that isn't there usual one.

Khan was just on LBC. He is blaming none essential people still using the tube. Basically he says the NHS and emergency service workers should be using the tube where possible. But as shown here the Government’s idea of essential workers are not the same as some businesses which are remaining open. He cited construction as being one field where he said in the Cobra meeting it’s not essential and was out ruled by the rest of government.

in theory their plans should have worked, but until those businesses can close, nothing will change

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We've been asked to take a pay cut amid threat of redundancies. Obvious something would have to give but still a bit shit. At least my MOT and Service isn't due in April. Oh, actually, of course it fucking is!

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Hasn't it been the job of WHO and various other major scientific institutions to study and prepare effective plans for global virus outbreaks for years now? Feels like they haven't really got much of a clue.

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