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I know that the whole Brexit debate is, in reality, yesterday's issue now. But the more I think of it, it was a work of genius in how it was portrayed by the leave campaign and how it actually offers hope to swathes of people who've pretty much lost all of theirs.

Personally speaking I find the whole concept to be absurd, especially living in a part of the world that has the second busiest ferry port in the UK and daily back and forth sailings to Holyhead. The port is one of the biggest employers we have and yet, the main Brexit stronghold is the town of Holyhead which is wholly reliant on trade with Ireland.

I've heard all sorts of wild theories since 2016, saying that it would improve things and actually create jobs, and some wild stabs in the dark that it would bring back duty free. Now, the argument of most normal folk who hold these views usually crumble at the first sign of any scrutiny or questioning, but they'd rather believe it than accept that this is the way things are now and that the "glory years" aren't coming back.

The camp that I find most difficult to understand are farmers. Despite the warnings of both major farming unions that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster, most I knew voted to leave in their droves as they don't seem to like filling in all of the forms to receive EU subsidies. I really don't fancy their chances tbh.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Lion_of_the_Midlands said:

The thing about the social media advertising I saw Pat, was that the Labour message seemed to be aimed at people who already agreed with them, whereas the Tory ads went after Labour voters who voted to Leave, but had never voted Tory before. 

The Tories were just better switched on in the campaign overall and their social media marketing in particular. As much as the Left laugh at Cummings this is his area and he obliterated them. 

I think you're probably right. Labour put considerably more money into social media, but every ad I saw was very much preaching to the converted, or trying to encourage young people to vote for the first time. There wasn't really anything in there designed to appeal to a broader demographic. 

Having said that, though, the frustrating thing about social media is that it's a series of silos and echo chambers. So I only ever saw the ads that were targeted towards me in the first place. Maybe there were other Labour ads out there that I'm just not seeing! 

And that's what makes me wonder about the efficacy of social media advertising - if it's only reaching people that some SEO algorithm decides would be interested in seeing it, are you really reaching the right people for it to have a significant effect? And, actually, is it strictly speaking "advertising" in the traditional sense that's making a difference on social media, or is it the paid accounts posting "personal" stories and takes on news events in favour of their chosen party? I'm thinking specifically of the Tory sock-puppets posting about the hospital bed scandal, but that's just one that got caught out - how much more of that was going on, that would have bypassed all sorts of rules against political advertising?

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One thing that's not been talked about (in all this really good discussion) is how badly the Labour election strategy was called in terms of allocation of resources.

The election strategy they went with was to try and win every seat in the country, and allocate resources evenly - which is madness.  This meant in key marginals they were being outspent and out-canvassed by the Tories, and even the Lib Dems.  They reversed this policy with about 10 days to go, but it was a bit late.

Speaking of the Lib Dems, they actually did a lot better than the results seem to show - their vote was up across the country, and a few thousand votes separated them from winning another 10 seats or so.  So many seats the Tories won now have wafer thin majorities.

 

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Sorry if this has been discussed in pages gone by, but I can't be arsed going through all the politics shite to find out. 

I see the moderately less annoying but still annoying one from Gavin and Stacey called the BBC politics journalist a plop carpet. 

My question: what the fuck is a plop carpet? A carpet that's be shat on? 

Edited by LEGIT

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6 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

Jonathan Pie’s still a thing, he has done a video on the election. 

https://youtu.be/G0nIhL4v6bY

He's constantly been a thing. He's had a few tours as well of late. People still share his videos on my timeline

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9 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

He's constantly been a thing. He's had a few tours as well of late. People still share his videos on my timeline

Even this one?

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1 minute ago, King Pitcos said:

Even this one?

Yeah, I saw it yesterday. Thought his last two were pretty decent actually, but I don't often watch him.

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3 minutes ago, Joe Blog said:

@MPDTT you keep mentioning the Labour Manifesto. Can I ask what you disliked about it? 

And this one while you're at it.

On 12/13/2019 at 4:28 PM, Keith Houchen said:

Can you quote the examples you refer to?

 

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Looking back Tom Walker (Jonathan Pie) basically saw this coming. One of his videos from a while back actually highlighted that Labour were bleeding voters over Brexit.

Sadly unless Johnson monumentally screws up (always a possibility) I don't think it matters who leads Labour for the foreseeable future. They'll be in for a kicking regardless because the Tory press have the government they want.

I suspect that he'll play it safe for a while before going full Emperor Cunt.

I think the people saying that his majority will result in him being less of a cunt are clutching at straws to make the best of a shit situation.

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Random Brexit observation: Everyone I know who voted to leave are older than me, ranging from early fifties to late 80s.

Whenever I’ve asked why they voted to leave the EU, all of them have told me that they’re “older than me and remember the good old days.” When pressed further, it’s amazing how “the good old days” always seems to be whenever they were in their teens, didn’t have to work, didn’t have kids or a mortgage and didn’t have to worry about too much. Funny that.

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There was a letter in Viz about 30 years ago that stuck with me and I hear it every time the good old days was mentioned.  "I remember the good old days when you could leave your front door unlocked and your kids could catch polio down the swimming baths"

 

EDIT - Speaking of old people knowing better than people younger than them..

 

 

Edited by Keith Houchen
If u read this u r gay

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23 minutes ago, Joe Blog said:

@MPDTT you keep mentioning the Labour Manifesto. Can I ask what you disliked about it? 

It's tough to find anything I did like! I don't have long as I need to go out, but here is a sample:

1. Tax rises - no thanks! Even though Labour claimed the income tax rise would only hit people earning over £80, the IFS lampooned that

2. Hiking corporation tax to 26%, implementing a £10 living wage and aspiring for a 4 day week (albeit within a decade) would all hurt business and cost jobs. Just shocking for UK PLC! I support a low tax, low regulation economy that allows people the retain more of their hard earning income. 

3. Unions - they wanted to give unions more power - sectoral collective bargaining, a return to secondary picketing, remove restrictions on industrial action...just a return to the 70s! Basically undo all that Thatcher achieved following the winter of discontent, ensuring militant unions can't hold the country to ransom. No thank you. I favour further limiting or even banning industrial action. Unions were relevant when employment law wasn't robust enough. Now it is. I'd ban strike action in a whole raft of industries starting with rail and airlines. 

4. Public ownership - He wanted to nationalise everything. Again, no thank you. I have zero confidence that the public sector can run rail, water or utility companies better than the private sector and I much prefer the prospect of small government

5. Brexit......"I will lead the country, but won't take a position on the most important issue of a generation". Oh, and even if he did go back to negotiate a new deal in 6 months, it was a ridiculous policy as the EU would have no motivation to give them any deal that was any good whatsoever given they would have known it was going back to the people. 

6. Free tuition fees. No thanks - this is a gimmick. its morally right that the people who benefit from the higher education in the form of higher salaries and life chances should also then pay for the cost of it. Free fees for everyone is not something I would support (although I would support it for designated subjects that the economy badly needs eg doctors, nurses....areas where skills gaps are identified). In truth they are not fees either - they are a tax supplement on those who go into higher education and is perfectly justified. Alternative would be to reverse Blair's vision of sending 50% of young people to university,

7. Far too high public spending - spending far more than we can afford, borrowing ridiculously and changing the rules of how borrowing is measured to try and fiddle it. Labour would bankrupt us. 

I could go on and on...I haven't even got to social housing. But I think I've given enough reasons as to why I would never support such a manifesto.

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