Moderators PowerButchi Posted December 15, 2019 Moderators Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Loki said: Well, all I know about Wrexham (which is your manor isn't it Butch) is that they just kicked out a Labour MP and returned a Tory one. Â So perhaps the thirst there isn't THAT strong... Â Wrexham isn't my manor, nope. Although Wrexham was on a smaller turnout than 2017 and had increased vote share for Plaid Cymru. Also, traditionally, independent feeling is stronger the more West you go. Wrexham is 3 miles from the Cheshire border and is half scousers. Depends, the Yes Cymru thing is mainly generational. Being handsome and under 40 I'm young and so fall on the Yes Cymru side. There's been some pretty big marches ver the past few years. Edited December 15, 2019 by PowerButchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted December 15, 2019 Moderators Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said: I don't mean this in a rude way but why should people care? What goes on in England affects you more than what goes on in Wales affects people in England. What's the motivation for them to look into it? People barely seek out news belongs what's readily available for even things that do impact them. Because it's part of the UK, I suppose. I like to know whats happening across the union and not just in isolated incestous pockets. I'd assume other people would too. Evidently not, and evidently those are inferior people to myself. You've pretty much just summed up why we always want England to fail in sporting events though, which is nice.  FUCK YOU KIETH DUBLE POST. Edited December 15, 2019 by PowerButchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted December 15, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 15, 2019 I honestly think if there was a referendum to split England in half, there'd probably by some traction in the North of England having their own government. I actually think if a party we're to set up on such an idea, it could win seats similarly to the progression of the SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted December 15, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, Teedy Kay said: I honestly think if there was a referendum to split England in half, there'd probably by some traction in the North of England having their own government. I actually think if a party we're to set up on such an idea, it could win seats similarly to the progression of the SNP. I’m not saying I’d like to see it happen, but it’s clear from the voting that the country is very split on political stances and ideology. But if there was a split, do we really think the north would get the infrastructural improvement and investments in industry it needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 15, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 15, 2019 "Now it's time to reunite the country and heal the division." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 15, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: But if there was a split, do we really think the north would get the infrastructural improvement and investments in industry it needs? Probably not, but at least it would be one step closer to the Merseyside-Manchester Red Corridor being able to declare independence from this shithole country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, PowerButchi said: You've pretty much just summed up why we always want England to fail in sporting events though, which is nice. I think even the English secretly want England to fail in sporting events. Gives us something else to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPDTT Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Just unreal.... They can't seriously want Rebecca Long-Bailey for leader and Richard Burgon as deputy? Will they learn nothing? Wrong Daily and a guy caught out on video stating "Zionism is the enemy of peace". If that happens then there is no point of even calling the next election, the Conservatives have already won it...... Just give Jess Phillips or Keir Starmer the nod. At least there will be a credible opposition. Edited December 16, 2019 by MPDTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Honestly, if its Long-Bailey and Burgon taking over then I'd say it's more likely that the Labour Party gets replaced as the official opposition in 2024 than it would be for them to get into Government. The best possible combination would be Dan Jarvis with Yvette Cooper as deputy, but it'll never happen. Of the realistic options I think Keir Starmer as leader, Dawn Butler as deputy would at least be a step forward. Edited December 16, 2019 by AVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, MPDTT said: Just unreal.... They can't seriously want Rebecca Long-Bailey for leader and Richard Burgon as deputy? Will they learn nothing? Wrong Daily and a guy caught out on video stating "Zionism is the enemy of peace". If that happens then there is no point of even calling the next election, the Conservatives have already won it...... Just give Jess Phillips or Keir Starmer the nod. At least there will be a credible opposition. Don’t do this again. It’s the ultimate cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 16, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, MPDTT said: Just unreal.... They can't seriously want Rebecca Long-Bailey for leader and Richard Burgon as deputy? Will they learn nothing? Wrong Daily and a guy caught out on video stating "Zionism is the enemy of peace". Where's the lie? And again, what do you care who's the new leader? If your prediction is correct then the Tories stay in power even longer and you can stay happy. So stop worrying about what the other side are doing and keep pulling your plonker in propping up a racist, homophobic, transphobic, borderline fascist government. 9 minutes ago, AVM said: Honestly, if its Long-Bailey and Burgon taking over then I'd say it's more likely that the Labour Party gets replaced as the official opposition in 2024 than it would be for them to get into Government. I'll bet you hundreds of fucking pounds this doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted December 16, 2019 Moderators Share Posted December 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: Where's the lie? And again, what do you care who's the new leader? If your prediction is correct then the Tories stay in power even longer and you can stay happy. So stop worrying about what the other side are doing and keep pulling your plonker in propping up a racist, homophobic, transphobic, borderline fascist government. He's said repeatedly his interest is in having a strong opposition and that he's not a Tory voter. So just repeating this 'mind your own business' position doesn't really make sense. It's a fairly strong voice calling for centrism in Labour. You might not like it or agree with it, but that doesn't make anyone who does a Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted December 16, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said:  And again, what do you care who's the new leader? If your prediction is correct then the Tories stay in power even longer and you can stay happy. So stop worrying about what the other side are doing and keep pulling your plonker in propping up a racist, homophobic, transphobic, borderline fascist government.  Is this not part of the issue? Labour will need to win back the supporters they lost. I dont know anyone here that does not want a strong viable opposition. I voted for blairs labour, i also voted tory.  Could i vote labour again of course i could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 16, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said: He's said repeatedly his interest is in having a strong opposition and that he's not a Tory voter. So just repeating this 'mind your own business' position doesn't really make sense. It's a fairly strong voice calling for centrism in Labour. You might not like it or agree with it, but that doesn't make anyone who does a Tory. His interest was in Brexit, that's all. He wouldn't have voted LibDems if they weren't saying they would scrap Brexit. Pretty much everything that he has parroted in this thread (and others) has been the classic Tory line. It's like having our very own Toby Young. Capitalism's great! What's wrong with Zionism! Corbyn hates Jews! It's absolutely nothing to do having a strong opposition at all. It's absolutely a clear case of anti-socialism, which he has stated numerous times on this forum. Now if you'll excuse me, DPD are just delivering my hammer and sickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chunk Posted December 16, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 16, 2019 21 hours ago, JNLister said: "Now it's time to reunite the country and heal the division." How does this compare over time? Is it true to say that young people always vote on the left and then over time become Tories? If you took this snapshot in 1970 would you've seen the same thing? Have those 18 year olds in 1970 voting for left parties now migrated into the 49% and 62% blue bars for 55-64 and 65+ year olds? Is it a matter of time until we have a socialist government of is this picture just the order of things and no real reflection of what's like to happen in 20, 30, 40 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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