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1 hour ago, Chest Rockwell said:

I'm sorry I'm going to need to know more about what the job of 'chicken catcher' involves at a detailed level.

It must be a Hull thing...

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/chicken-catcher-died-pain-work-3605096

So what has this article taught us?

1. There is apparently the option to go private with your chicken catching.
2. 'Silly beggar' will likely only be found quoted in a Hull newspaper.

Edited by Snitsky's back acne

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Was ok for a bit but just got angry watching Hey Duggee and the Election Badge. Buggy and Lord Fingal tied to run the summer fair. Hung parliament. Fuck off Duggee.

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@King Pitcos, I think my previous comments will do as a long-form response;

 

6 hours ago, Accident Prone said:

That way of thinking worked ten years ago. Politics is a lot more personal now that people's suffering is a lot more publicized and politicians (and the public's) views become more radicalized. Socio-political issues have become much more ingrained, and topics such as climate change have become heavily interwoven in the conversation.

The party you vote for now has a direct and huge effect on the quality of people's lives, and a vote for the Tory party (just as an example) usually has a negative, lasting effect on those who are less fortunate and those who are already struggling. 

So yeah, shouting down people who "JUST WANT BREXIT DONE, INNIT" even though their vote will cost people their lives, sounds okay to me because we're not just voting on stuff like water rates, public transport costs and what kids get taught at schools anymore.

Again, someone backing their voting choice with hateful opinions isn't someone who you can debate with. Someone who hates a certain race, creed or sexual orientation/identification isn't going to be won over and isn't going to consider any opinion, and is the same goes for people who dismiss concerns of the NHS crumbling and the rising poverty levels.

There's a massive difference between someone saying, "I voted Torie because I agree with their Brexit plan and their tax spending strategy" and someone saying "I voted Torie because I don't like them immigrants". A conversation works with the former, not the latter. 

I can't believe it's come to the point now where someone with a vile opinion can't be told to fuck off with their vile opinions. And they are vile opinions, no matter how much fence-sitting you like to do (no offense, Keith).

It's an incredibly frustrating situation, and if having compassion for people less fortunate than myself and having utter contempt for people who want to decrease funding, services and benefits, if that makes me some idealist, naive 6th-former then line me up, bend me over and use me as a toast rack.

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All I've heard today (and during the campaign) is that Corbyn was toxic on the doorstep, but I genuinely don't know what it is about him that people would have reason to dislike to such a degree.

I've seen some acquaintances share the usual guff on Facebook of him being a terrorist sympathiser or a bad photoshop of Diane Abbott apparently wearing not matching shoes. Really, is that the level of argument?

Now being of somewhat of a Welsh nationalist persuasion and not automatically falling on the side of "our troops" in every conflict, I may not be looking at this as those who may be from a more mainstream viewpoint. But I can't find anything that would qualify Corbyn as being a terrorist sympathiser other than some casual aqquaintances with a lot of poetic license. 

Does the right-wing press still hold so much sway?

God, I can't even fathom how the working classes would regard the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al as having their best interest at heart.

TBH there's a part of me that hopes that Brexit is as big a disaster as we all expect it to be, as it would serve a lot of people right. Its just a shame for the rest.

I'll probably be allright whatever happens, people get the government they deserve I suppose.

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29 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

That person still gets a vote, so your attitude is just going to see you more upset every time there’s an election. Left-wing, middle-class millennials screaming that everyone who doesn’t vote Labour is a stupid racist who has been fooled by the evil Jew media is a huge part of the problem. The echo chamber convinces you that you and your likeminded friends are the norm and that everyone different is strange and vile, too disgusting to consider as a worthwhile human being - you cast them as The Other, the way they do with foreigners/dolemites/blacks/gaylords/whoever. And the results show that you’re wrong. You’re the outlier, not them.

The echo chamber crew just isn’t big enough to win an election, as has been proven every time out over the last five years. And the obnoxious preaching just alienates everyone outside of that psychographic. The “we really care about poor people” sentiment, for example, rings false when followed by the “FUCK U POOR PEOPLE WHY U VOTE WRONG U IDIOTS OR EVIL CUNTS UR A TURKEY VOTING FOR CHRISTMAS” type stuff we see today. Pretending to be compassionate while treating politics like an angry football rivalry ain’t working.

The sort of people that have become big, loud Labour supporters in this decade are a niche of the electorate, and have done fuck all to make Labour accessible to anyone outside their niche. They’ve made Labour the party for Citizen Smith. Labour has been hijacked by the likes of Owen Jones, and crying that everyone who doesn’t like Owen Jones is a bigot might get retweets but it’s never, ever going to turn this situation around.

If you really care about improving things, it’s time to get some perspective and let go of the myopic, dogmatic, sixth former idealism. You can’t brute force that Labour Party into power. Gonna have to actually engage with the people who voted conservative, or didn’t vote at all. If you really care, you can’t just keep trying to Other them. They will just respond by trouncing you in elections.

Sure, those people suck but as you said "niche of the electorate"

Plenty people aren't labeling everyone who disagrees with them as racist but are acknowledging there have been racist/xenophobic parts to some group's attitudes

Suggesting that anyone taking issue with racism is just doing it for the likes, or making things up to other people is as reductionist as saying everyone who disagrees with you is racist.

There's got to be a better way forward that isn't "appeal to the demographics that hate" (and to be absolutely clear that demographic is just "racists" not "poor people"). Otherwise we just keep normalising terrible terrible behaviour and giving it more of a voice within our political system

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Maybe Vince and Shane can have a go at Chicken Catching and make a humorous video documenting their journey.

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18 minutes ago, Accident Prone said:

I can't believe it's come to the point now where someone with a vile opinion can't be told to fuck off with their vile opinions. And they are vile opinions, no matter how much fence-sitting you like to do (no offense, Keith).

None taken, I'm happy to tell anyone who voted tory to fuck off.

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2 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

He still beat the right into power though, didn't he?

Months upon months of civil unrest, half the country going on strike, so it's definitely working out well. 

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Just now, hallicks said:

Months upon months of civil unrest, half the country going on strike, so it's definitely working out well. 

But that's something we should admire the French for, they'll strike over anything that gives them a bad deal where as us pork pie eating surrender bulldogs daren't do anything to upset the paymasters.

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6 minutes ago, Accident Prone said:

Again, someone backing their voting choice with hateful opinions isn't someone who you can debate with. Someone who hates a certain race, creed or sexual orientation/identification isn't going to be won over and isn't going to consider any opinion, and is the same goes for people who dismiss concerns of the NHS crumbling and the rising poverty levels.

How often do you really come across someone saying “I hate darkies and faggots, and them cripples should be working or put down” nowadays? Lumping everyone into that category because they’re opposed to unfettered immigration and gay marriage and a massive welfare state, for example, is the sort of thing I’m talking about. I replied to your post, but I was more addressing the general theme of condescension and bile towards all Tory voters, not just the ones who hate pakis.

A lot of these people will also be concerned about things like rising poverty levels and the failure of the NHS, they just think differently than you do about how to resolve them. And neither of you is completely wrong or right on how to achieve it. I am, though - the answer is hefty fines and prison sentences for jokers who abuse NHS services. And probably humanely killing old people earlier.

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4 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

But that's something we should admire the French for, they'll strike over anything that gives them a bad deal where as us pork pie eating surrender bulldogs daren't do anything to upset the paymasters.

Oh, absolutely. 

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2 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

I was more addressing the general theme of condescension and bile towards all Tory voters, not just the ones who hate pakis.

Vote tory get tory.  You don't get to say "Well I didn't like that particular policy so I'm not accountable for that".  If you voted for a party that have held policies for the last 9 years  that have directly led to the deaths of poor people and the demonising of minorities, then I hold you in contempt.  You know the score, opinions count for more than facts.  I've challenged tory voters on why they are voting tory and pointed out the factual inaccuracies of what they are saying (as tory voters have done with Labour voters as well) but it won't change that persons opinion because they have made up their mind regardless of what they now know to be the bullshit.

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