Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Chest Rockwell said: I thought it was hilarious how obvious the brexit party ones are because they are so threadbare with zero detail or specific commitment. The transport one was the best one. "Scrap HS2 £50 billion for public transport" Thanks for that, Nigel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 So Finland has a new coalition government of five parties. The leadership is... somewhat different to here. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 What a hippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: What a hippy Bet the first time you did it you said you liked Baywatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: Bet the first time you did it you said you liked Baywatch It's probably how MPDTT got his score so high for the Lib Dems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 I think it says a lot about the comparative mindsets of me and @JNLister that I chose to talk about the new Finnish coalition in the Unconventional Hotties thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted December 9, 2019 Awards Moderator Share Posted December 9, 2019 The Swedish People’s Party Of Finland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I know their number isn’t huge but there were people who voted leave not to stick it to Brussels but to stick it to Cameron.  And the Brexit party have all but evaporated with their predicted zero seats (by some commentators). It makes me wonder if Brexit is such a massive priority as is made out.  I’m probably clutching at straws because like Soapdish my mental health has nosedived recently and I’m shitting it at the prospect of a Johnson led Tory majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, HarmonicGenerator said: The Swedish People’s Party Of Finland? Ooh, just looked that one up. Turns out it's basically a single issue party that's about the Swedish language rather than the country as such. They usually get about five percent of the vote and then join whatever the governing coalition is, which is simple to sort out as their only demand is "let's keep Swedish an official language." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:  It makes me wonder if Brexit is such a massive priority as is made out.  Anecdotally, it doesn't seem to be. Everyone I know that's campaigning/doorstepping for Labour has said that the only people bringing it up are the frothing-at-the-mouth diehard "leave means leave" Brexiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, HarmonicGenerator said: The Swedish People’s Party Of Finland? Fuck Off. We’re the Finnish Peoples Party Of Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, BomberPat said: Anecdotally, it doesn't seem to be. Everyone I know that's campaigning/doorstepping for Labour has said that the only people bringing it up are the frothing-at-the-mouth diehard "leave means leave" Brexiters. Terrifying for Labour's prospects if that's the case. Getting bummed in a one issue election in which one is fussed about the one issue would be peak Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I know their number isn’t huge but there were people who voted leave not to stick it to Brussels but to stick it to Cameron.  And the Brexit party have all but evaporated with their predicted zero seats (by some commentators). It makes me wonder if Brexit is such a massive priority as is made out.  I’m probably clutching at straws because like Soapdish my mental health has nosedived recently and I’m shitting it at the prospect of a Johnson led Tory majority. That is one of the reasons to grasp at straws when trying to explain how the massive Tory poll leads might not mean a landslide. This chart is the from the oddly named Tortoise site. The colours are the current holders. The further left, the bigger the Conservative majority, so a small swing to them would mean they pick up the seats just to the right of the central line. The horizontal line is 50-50 in the EU referendum and the further up, the more Leavey the constituency. At the moment the majority of seats projected to change hands are in a cone shape in the top right corner, with the logical explanation that it's the Conservatives picking up votes in Labour-held Leave constituencies. One thing that stands out to me is that there's a big lump of Conservative held seats that have a narrow majority and are in seats that voted Leave but not heavily. If you assume the swing is the same in every seat, that's irrelevant. However, if it varies, it could be that some of those seats decide that Get Brexit Done isn't as big a factor as "save the NHS/Johnson's a bellend/nine years of Tories is enough." To give an idea how varied the picture is, one place I've seen doing individual seat projections currently has the Tories as basically a 50-50 chance to pick up their 44th biggest target seat (ranked by current majority) but about the same chance of losing the 55th most vulnerable seat they are defending.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, BomberPat said: Anecdotally, it doesn't seem to be. Everyone I know that's campaigning/doorstepping for Labour has said that the only people bringing it up are the frothing-at-the-mouth diehard "leave means leave" Brexiters. Similar experiences with people I know or work with. Only people that still talk about Brexit are those that were already obsessed with the EU/immigration. None are indicating that they will vote Tory with some indicating that they won't vote at all. The one ones that would probably be considered "traditional" Labour abandoned the party long before Corbyn's leadership and have long been lost to the cult of Farage. They are also the ones that currently show no interest in voting. One of the few LibDem I know starts every political conversation with "I'd never vote Tory" which I always consider a red flag. He's also very reluctant to criticize the Tories outside of Johnson himself. For balance there isn't much love for Corbyn in my social circle. Though some have moved from "he's an idiot" to "he has some good ideas but some bad ones" which is somewhat positive and almost identical to what I came across in 2017. Of course I live in a relatively safe Labour seat which obviously is unlikely to reflect national vote intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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