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10 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

The pharmaceutical industry lobbies very strongly in the US. Through a variety of means, they keep drug prices artificially high in the US. There was a lot of recent upset in Canada and Mexico as the recent North American trade deals have really weakened their local healthcare provisioning by trying to align to the US. The wording of the papers released by Corbyn indicate that the same things are what is on the table for us. Rather than 'privatising the NHS' what is happening is that they want to lock the NHS into a similar bad agreement. Whether the NHS is free at the point of use or not it will be more costly for our health care services, and ultimately really bad for the country.

I don't know why they're parroting this privatisation line - it's misleading.

Johnson claimed on LBC he would get up and walk away if they tried to force that on us.......he also claimed he would die in a ditch and seems to be alive and well.....

Any trade deal with the US will suit the US i think that much is clear. My hope is we have a free trade deal with the EU at the time of negations at least that gives some form of leeway. 

 

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IF Johnson does remain PM, his relationship with Trump means he won't walk away. Trump has already stated how he is championing a Johnson/Farage coalition and it should be pretty obvious why. If we leave with no deal, the US will have us right where they want

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Everything will continue on its current outsourcing trend, until eventually the NHS will just be an umbrella term for all the privately operated healthcare that happens under its name. Something I read about a while ago was the tendering out of a health contract, where the local health authority could still bid, but they were obviously undercut by a private bidder, in this case, Virgin. The Virgin bid was unrealistic, but it didn't matter when this was pointed out, they still won the contract. And then, when it turned out that actually, they had undershot, they just got extra money from the government anyway to carry on.

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On 11/7/2019 at 2:01 PM, JNLister said:

You shouldn't obsessively check polls and projections every day, but if you do, this is probably the best one-stop way:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nUxnVJIFRo9A806IHtkTcd_Cxn1hO4P98nHCnBgeMFI/edit#gid=586083410

It's done by 326 Politics and is updated each night. It averages out the latest poll figures then tries to forecast what that could mean for each seat. If you scroll across the main tab, there's all sorts of juicy stuff like chances of winning the seat if the election was today and a simple "leans/likely/safe" ranking next to the result from last time so you can spot where seat changes are likely.

The last tab on the spreadsheet tracks the daily projected seat totals, which might be a smoother way to track "how the campaign is going" than trying to track voting intention, particularly when it comes to where the votes make a difference.

(Note this is only valid while it continues to show the Tory vote share ticking down each day. The moment it shows them gaining, it's clearly voodoo junk.)

Hasn't been updated for a while but, interestingly, is showing the gap between Labour and Conservatives closing.

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37 minutes ago, Chunk said:

Hasn't been updated for a while but, interestingly, is showing the gap between Labour and Conservatives closing.

I believe the updates are on pause while they reconfigure the model to start accounting for polls done in specific constituencies.

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14 hours ago, hallicks said:

State ownership of utilities is not uncommon in Europe. Many of the UK rail franchises are owned by the state run rail companies of other countries - the Dutch, German, Italian, Hong Kong and French state all get a slice of our rail pie, the infrastructure of which is all paid for by the taxpayer anyway. The consequence is the highest rail prices in Europe. My season ticket will be pushing £5k next year. I think Labour's plan to nationalize trains is to let the franchises expire and then bring them into public ownership.

The privatization of Royal Mail was actual robbery, as it was deliberately undervalued by George Osborne to make money for his pals. I'm sure the super rich will scream bloody murder regardless of what price Labour puts on bringing companies back into public ownership.

Also, in response to @quote the raven's point about the state getting these industries for "less than the market price" - why should they pay market price? Those people are not entitled to a profit, just like anyone else who makes an investment on what they think they might get. An investment has all sorts of potential factors that might affect it, and one of them is the possibility of the government taking ownership of it. That's a calculated risk, and it's one that is now possible.

As is pointed out in the below article, there is nothing in UK law which says the government has to pay the market price outlined by the CBI, and that we should actually buy them back for the price the investors paid for it, which comes to a shit-ton less. I personally wouldn't have a problem with it - part of the reason this country's in this state is because of private individuals trying to profit at the expense of the public.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalise-royal-mail-energy-water-savings-bills-national-grid-a9203636.html

Edited by Carbomb

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I know all my contributions to this thread are postal work related but given the recent scandalous outcome of the strike conflict we're in nothing would give me greater pleasure than a below market rate government takeover. Especially as I've dumped all my shares anyway.

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Question to those of you with a more in deph knowledge of the various polls that are going around. I've seen that they are generally saying the Tories lad is down to 9 points. How would this translate to seats, and does it mean we are likelly to have another hung parliament?

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1 minute ago, Lion_of_the_Midlands said:

Its bad enough that you call him Boris. 

I'm going to have to start proof reading my posts more....

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16 minutes ago, Cod Eye said:

Question to those of you with a more in deph knowledge of the various polls that are going around. I've seen that they are generally saying the Tories lad is down to 9 points. How would this translate to seats, and does it mean we are likelly to have another hung parliament?

Most common view is that it would take around six or seven points for the Conservatives to be confident of getting a majority this time.

Less than that and they'd be relying on their votes being as or more efficiently distributed than the other parties. The risk would be a small lead just represented them putting on more votes than usual in the Midlands and North but winding up with lots of close seconds.

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23 minutes ago, Cod Eye said:

Question to those of you with a more in deph knowledge of the various polls that are going around. I've seen that they are generally saying the Tories lad is down to 9 points. How would this translate to seats, and does it mean we are likelly to have another hung parliament?

A lead of 9 percentage points is significant.

You know Labour's landslide win in 1997, when they got 2.5 times the seats that the Tories did? Their lead over the Tories was 12.5 percentage points. In 2015, the Tories' lead over Labour was only 6.5 percentage points, which was enough to give them a majority, with Labour wining about a third of seats. Extrapolate from there and you get the picture that 9 percentage points is good news for the Tories.

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Trump - We do not want the NHS, even on a silver platter

Rabb - Hold my beer.

The Labour narrative is wrong. The NHS, I don't think, is for sale. What will happen is we will allow the NHS to be opened up to US firms to take over parts of it, and the changes in the drug deal will see a huge increase on the cost of medication to the point of crippling it to the point of collapse. THEN they will swoop in and buy it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-brexit-nhs-privatisation-trump-us-drugs-price-increase-a9230661.html?fbclid=IwAR0JHFk_rWDQeLCi4yRsU8G9votsYdkzKwrVHoiEHGn3WYbkYCNq5_mo_hk 

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I think Chest nailed it previously - the US is angling for a deal that will be bad for the NHS, and it's been mischaracterised as selling it off. It could be viewed as "selling it off" in a sense, but in the literal sense, no - which enables BJ and Co. to get off the hook by denying it's literally for sale.

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