Richard Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 White privilege doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted October 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Richard said: White privilege doesn't exist. It did in Barry White's house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 ****** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Vegas Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Double post sorry. Edited October 28, 2019 by Jonny Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Equality doesn't exist either. Every single interest group in a western society are granted their identity politic, and are granted their collective right. Bar white people. White privilege is a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Vegas Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Carbomb said: It would be if said behaviour wasn't seen as damaging to the movement towards equality as a whole. Progress is achieved by solidarity, that is true, but that cuts both ways, especially in an environment like the US where struggle is necessary. Individuals being treated as individual people and not either expected or pressured to say, think, do and believe set things based on their gender, race, religion or anything else is never damaging to equality as a whole. People being told they must conform to a set type based on one or multiple of those things whether positively or negatively most certainly is. For example if someone who doesn't fit the MAGA stereotype of angry white man votes for Donald Trump it is irrelevant whether that's crazy or Trump's an arsehole. Them being told they shouldn't because of their race is mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGIT Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I never noticed anything wrong with the shirt until it was pointed out. Fair enough, others did. Myles has done himself zero favours though. Even if this is too big a deal for him to lose his job right now, the more he goes off on one, the more he'll just alienate himself, make enemies and lose potential bookings (ROH for one). Can see his idea, make as big a noise as possible, get as much publicity, make WWE scared of the bad press. I just can't see it ending well for him, and I think he'll regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jonny Vegas said: Individuals being treated as individual people and not either expected or pressured to say, think, do and believe set things based on their gender, race, religion or anything else is never damaging to equality as a whole. People being told they must conform to a set type based on one or multiple of those things whether positively or negatively most certainly is. For example if someone who doesn't fit the MAGA stereotype of angry white man votes for Donald Trump it is irrelevant whether that's crazy or Trump's an arsehole. Them being told they shouldn't because of their race is mad. Well, we're going to have to diverge here. I think you're wrong, because of various historical factors that I think you're not taking into account; consequently, you're pre-supposing a premise of equal ground that hasn't existed and doesn't exist yet. EDIT: I should expand upon the previous point, to add to my earlier assertion that I am still hesitant to label anyone that, because it's a serious accusation. I think that Uncle Toms have existed, and potentially do exist, but they are at the extreme end of the issue. Overall, I consider it that, if BME people want to be Tory or Republican, it's the ultimate equality: they have the right to be twunts and arseholes too. Edited October 28, 2019 by Carbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Oh god. Here we go. ColOnIalism. Carbomb talks a big game, but he doesn't have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Well, this thread is getting interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, David said: Well, this thread is getting interesting. I was thinking the exact opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grecian Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I'm just waiting for Scottish football to come into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Vegas Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, Carbomb said: Well, we're going to have to diverge here. I think you're wrong, because of various historical factors that I think you're not taking into account; consequently, you're pre-supposing a premise of equal ground that hasn't existed and doesn't exist yet. EDIT: I should expand upon the previous point, to add to my earlier assertion that I am still hesitant to label anyone that, because it's a serious accusation. I think that Uncle Toms have existed, and potentially do exist, but they are at the extreme end of the issue. Overall, I consider it that, if BME people want to be Tory or Republican, it's the ultimate equality: they have the right to be twunts and arseholes too. Historical or current equal ground is irrelevant. Telling an entire race how they should or shouldn't behave is only ever detrimental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted October 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jonny Vegas said: Historical or current equal ground is irrelevant. Telling an entire race how they should or shouldn't behave is only ever detrimental. Again, we diverge. I do not believe historical influences are irrelevant. And I'm not "telling an entire race", I'm talking about the messages that come from groups who've had to struggle in the past and had their efforts undermined by specific individuals. As to whether or not such is detrimental, maybe it is, maybe it isn't - but I'm not about to tell BME people that their anger at those they consider collaborators is unjustified, just like you don't think it's justified. I don't believe I'm going to convince you otherwise, and I don't think you are going to convince me, so I think we should agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CL Punk Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) It's not the first time that WWE has cocked up a t-shirt and probably won't be the last... Edited October 28, 2019 by CL Punk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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