Keith Houchen Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, StrongStyle said: Yet another allegation in Scotland.   I am in support of bringing in stadium closures and docked points. It's the only solution that we haven't tried yet. I don’t think it will make a difference to be honest, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be implemented. A racist isn’t going to be put off being racist by the thought of being docked three points. However, the financial implications would make clubs take notice.  How do partial closures get implemented? Imagine being a season ticket holder and your seat is in the stand that’s closed for two games, and there are too few seats to go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongStyle Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I don’t think it will make a difference to be honest, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be implemented. A racist isn’t going to be put off being racist by the thought of being docked three points. Do you think so? I reckon that's basically the ONLY deterrent for these people - imagine being the guy in the supporters' club who everyone knew was proven to have racially abused an opposition player and got the club docked 3 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 A lot of racial abuse is anger/heat of the moment outbursts that boil over. The mask slips and the underlying racism comes to the surface. The thought of a points deduction won’t stop those instances. It’ll certainly impact on the more organised and targeted instances but if a black player celebrates in front of racist rival fans, they aren’t going to not call him a black cunt in the heat of the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ElCece Posted October 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: A lot of racial abuse is anger/heat of the moment outbursts that boil over. The mask slips and the underlying racism comes to the surface. The thought of a points deduction won’t stop those instances. It’ll certainly impact on the more organised and targeted instances but if a black player celebrates in front of racist rival fans, they aren’t going to not call him a black cunt in the heat of the moment. Reminds of my Grandas who also went with 'Specy nonce' as his angry outburst. Better than racist I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ReturnOfTheMack Posted October 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: A lot of racial abuse is anger/heat of the moment outbursts that boil over. The mask slips and the underlying racism comes to the surface. The thought of a points deduction won’t stop those instances. It’ll certainly impact on the more organised and targeted instances but if a black player celebrates in front of racist rival fans, they aren’t going to not call him a black cunt in the heat of the moment. Interesting point though, could it lead to players almost trying to bait fans thought to be racist in order to make the other team lose points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, ReturnOfTheMack said: Interesting point though, could it lead to players almost trying to bait fans thought to be racist in order to make the other team lose points? We are entering the realm of Harchester United here by having plants in the away fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ReturnOfTheMack Posted October 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 20, 2019 As a sheffield United fan I'm used to utter vegetables in the stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/19/2019 at 6:17 AM, stumobir said: Jeeeez David, you’re like a dog with a bone at times. The guy practically concedes defeat and you keep going. I actually enjoy reading most of your posts but you need to learn when to call it a day. It's called a discussion. If you don't like it, don't read it. And my aim wasn't for him "to concede defeat," although that maybe says something about your own mindset more than anything else. He made some points, I replied, I made some points, he replied. That's how this works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Copied from the BBC Sport app.  Ex-Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher has apologised to Patrice Evra for wearing t-shirts in support of Luis Suarez after the Uruguayan racially abused the Frenchman in 2011. After a two-month investigation, Suarez was given an eight-game ban by the Football Association on 21 December. A day later, Liverpool wore 'Suarez 7' t-shirts in the warm-up before their Premier League game against Wigan. Carragher said the club "got it massively wrong". The former England defender was working in his role as pundit on Sky Sports on Monday alongside ex-Manchester United full-back Evra. Carragher said: "There is no doubt we made a massive mistake, that was obvious. We got to the ground, had our lunch and then had a team meeting - I don't know if it was the manager (Kenny Dalglish) or (coach) Steve Clarke - asking one of the players if he still still wearing the shirt and that is the first I had heard of it. "I am lying and saying I wasn't part of it because as the club we got it wrong and I was vice-captain. I am not sure who was actually behind it. I don't think it had anything to do with the manager Kenny, I think it was the players who were close to Luis in the dressing room who really wanted to support their mate. "Maybe I have to look at myself now and say I did not have the courage as an individual to say 'I am not wearing it'. I don't think everyone within Liverpool Football Club thought what we was doing was right but I do think as a football club or you as a family, your first reaction is to support them even if you know that they are wrong and that is wrong." Evra added: "When I saw it I was like this is ridiculous. This is unbelievable. You put your own club in danger when you do those things. You always have to support your player because he is from your team but this was after the ban. If it was before and we were waiting for the sanctioned, I would understand. "What message do you send to the world? Supporting someone being banned because he used some racist words." What happened between Suarez and Evra? In November 2011 Suarez was charged by the Football Association with racially abusing Evra in a 1-1 draw between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield one month earlier. On 20 December, Suarez was banned for eight games following a six-day hearing, during which Suarez was accused of using "insulting words", which included reference to the colour of Evra's skin. The ban was suspended pending an appeal. One day later, Suarez started in a 0-0 draw against Wigan, a game in which he hand his team-mates wore T-shirts with Suarez's name and picture on during the warm-up, in a display of support for the Uruguayan. Liverpool backed the player in the dispute, saying: "We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone. "No one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United team-mates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth." Suarez told media in Uruguay that he "called him [Evra] something his team-mates at Manchester call him". Evra made his claims immediately after the match and was quoted as telling French television station Canal Plus: "There are cameras, you can see [Suarez] say a certain word to me at least 10 times." The Football Association's report into the incident, released at the end of December 2011, stated that, after being tackled by the Uruguayan, Evra asked Suarez why he had kicked him, to which the forward replied in Spanish: "Because you are black." When Evra challenged him to repeat the answer and said he would "punch him", Suarez said: "I don't speak to blacks." Suarez is said to have used the term "negro" seven times in around two minutes. On 3 January 2012, Liverpool decided not to appeal against the verdict, but the club maintained Suarez was innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Sadly there's plenty of Liverpool fans who still think there's a Manchester United bias at the F.A and in the media and honest little Luis was just being naive and friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Justice Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mr_Danger said: Sadly there's plenty of Liverpool fans who still think there's a Manchester United bias at the F.A and in the media and honest little Luis was just being naive and friendly. Like a racist old Nan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members martyngnr Posted October 22, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted October 22, 2019 Let’s open up that old wound and get Hitmannumbers back on here to defend Suarez. It’s a form of affection in Uruguay etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted October 23, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2019 17 hours ago, martyngnr said: Let’s open up that old wound and get Hitmannumbers back on here to defend Suarez. Fill up your inboxes first though, lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I popped on to one of the more balanced Liverpool forums I occasionally frequent to get the general feel on Jamie Carragher's apology and low and behold it's cattegorically negative towards him. Trial by media, Evra is a lying prick, Carragher is just a Sky Sports uncle Tom. One person even went as far to say that it was scripted and it's funny how there was a negative racial story about United but now everyone is talking about Liverpool. Football fans are shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I bet they say the Origi banner was a compliment as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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