Awards Moderator Onyx2 Posted August 7, 2019 Awards Moderator Share Posted August 7, 2019 7 hours ago, chokeout said: He's really not though. I love Star Wars and Indy but Lucas is a terrible director who lucked out in the people he got involved with and the less hands-on he was with films, the better they were for it. He is an amazing producer though, not just for film. lucasarts, skywalker sound, THX and Industrial light and magic are some of the most important companies for entertainment of the last century and that's where his strengths were; finding and letting talented people do what they do. There's an argument to say the wrong Lucas gets the credit for A New Hope, that Marcia Lucas saved it in the edit. While George had captured every conceivable angle and shot, the stress of Tunisia, budget and UK Union rules brought on a heart attack so struggled to complete the film. Marcia had clarity enough to turn the documentary pieces into a proper film. Lucas is an incredible ideas man and world builder, but his projects are improved hundredfold with a talented director crafting the vision into a narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 I'm not even convinced he's that great an ideas man and world builder. I used to say that Star Wars was at its best the furthest removed George Lucas was from it - Solo has ruined that idea for me by arguably being the worst of the bunch. But take out Marcia Lucas, take out Gary Kurtz, take out Carrie Fisher's script edits, take out Ralph McQuarrie and Brian Muir (who designed the Darth Vader costume, and made the decision to give him a samurai-styled helmet and breathing apparatus), take out Harrison Ford's performance and ad-libbed "I know" in Empire, take out John Barry's set design, and you're left with The Adventures Of Luke Starkiller. Lucas' original ideas needed to be hammered into shape by dozens of other people to become great, and the prequels show what you end up with when you have a cast, crew and studio too afraid of telling George Lucas "no". Star Wars is good in spite of George Lucas, not because of him. As an ideas man, the best thing he did was the idea of "old future", that dictated the whole visual aesthetic of A New Hope and, again, was almost entirely absent in the prequels. That said, it may only be possible to break down the individual contributions of different people because the film was so huge that it's been pored over a million times, and there could be other great directors and producers just as reliant on other people's ideas as Lucas, we just don't drill down into the "Making Of" enough to realise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 This is all moot, as American Graffiti is excellent. Wolfman Jack is in it playing himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Quote Nicholas Cage. Outstanding in Leaving Las Vegas, but everything else. Raising Arizona alone makes this bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 American Graffiti is excellent and I also liked THX-118. I love Event Horizon - my mentor in sound design was the sound supervisor on that film and IÂ spent about 6 months discussing it with him. Â I saw it in the cinema and that first spiral shot out from the space station is an absolute belter of a shot on the big screen - genuinely gives you motion sickness. However, I think even though he's been quite shit, Anderson has other stuff on his resume - Shopping for example was really clever on zero budget. Even though he's a household name - Steven Seagal is great in Under Siege, which is a genuinely fantastic action film. Â Everything else he's been in, really, is a big old bag of shit. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Loki said: Even though he's a household name - Steven Seagal is great in Under Siege, which is a genuinely fantastic action film. Â Everything else he's been in, really, is a big old bag of shit. Out for Justice and Marked for Death are both superb as well otherwise, yeah, absolutely hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallicks Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 And Under Siege 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, hallicks said: And Under Siege 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted August 7, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Devon Malcolm said: Out for Justice and Marked for Death are both superb as well otherwise, yeah, absolutely hopeless. I remember liking Hard to Kill as well, but I haven't seen it in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said: I remember liking Hard to Kill as well, but I haven't seen it in a long time. Oh yeah, Hard to Kill has its moments, as does Under Siege 2. There's also Executive Decision..... but we probably can't count that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 James Franco and The Disaster Artist Seth Gordon and King of Kong Guy Ritchie and Lock Stock Uwe Boll and Rampage (to be fair, Boll’s Rampage isn’t a great movie but compared to his others it’s a masterpiece. I haven’t seen the whole film either as the 10-minute “best of” video that used to be on YouTube was enough. It was great fun though. Basically a movie version of when you get bored on Grand Theft Auto). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, wordsfromlee said: Guy Ritchie and Lock Stock I liked Snatch, and the first Sherlock Holmes film. Haven't seen the second, but it's on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Carbomb said: I liked Snatch, and the first Sherlock Holmes film. Haven't seen the second, but it's on my list. Second is genuinely good in places. One of the best Moriarty's I've seen. The moment where they meet is electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted August 7, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 7, 2019  1 hour ago, wordsfromlee said: James Franco and The Disaster Artist Seth Gordon and King of Kong Guy Ritchie and Lock Stock  Wrong. Franco was in two good Spider-Man films as well as 127 Hours and Rise of the Planet off the Apes. Ritchie did Snatch, the Sherlock films and his Aladdin is Disney’s best re-imagining. Gordon did Horrible Bosses and Baywatch which were both quite good. Certainly not turkeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Just now, Hannibal Scorch said:  Wrong. Franco was in two good Spider-Man films as well as 127 Hours and Rise of the Planet off the Apes. Ritchie did Snatch, the Sherlock films and his Aladdin is Disney’s best re-imagining. Gordon did Horrible Bosses and Baywatch which were both quite good. Certainly not turkeys Wrong Franco didn’t direct any of those movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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