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Right people, right time, just the wrong location.

Fucking hell who’s arsed. Let people get excited about things.

For a TV Guide photoshoot promoting a new wrestling show, this is what you want to see. Not you brothers wedding reception, like those cunts above. You're selling professional wrestling. Nothing else.

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20 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

I've said before that I'm pretty convinced that Omega assumed Ibushi would come with him to AEW, and that whatever they're doing with Omega and Page is them retrofitting a Golden Lovers story on to a new character. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kenny Omega almost immediately booked himself into an emotionally motivated tag team break-up story, he just changed things around to fit the change of cast.

Someone on Reddit pointed out that Ibushi has been going through a similar storyline with Tanahashi, where he's become disillusioned after having to carry the team. And they split up around the same time as Hangman/Omega. 

Obviously, the meta-storyline is that both tried to replace the other and couldn't, and now both are likely going down a darker path as a result. (I'm saying that with mild sarcasm, but it also fits nicely).

 

However this plays out, there's going to be a moment around two years from now where a heel group are dominating. And the Bucks will come out against them as faces, and bring out Cody. And then bring out Kenny. And then bring out Hangman. And the pop will just keep building.

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I must say I've been impressed by how the story has gone. Its the type of long form storytelling in wrestling I get a kick out of. Its definitely now Kenny's time to become the top heel World Champion with Page the chasing face. Really looking forward to it going forward

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This angle has gone so well, its difficult to imagine anyone other than Page carrying it off. If this is a reskinned Omega-Ibushi planned angle (which would make sense, if its's true what I heard about Omega wanting his whole career to be one long meta-angle), then I don't know how you get across this level of relatability and nuance without masses more exposition to tie things in to Kenny's wider career. They'd surely have been much more reliant on Kenny adding some fire to his low key promos, Ibushi's emoting being enough while he worked on bridging the language barrier, and probably chucking NJPW some coin to get the relevant archive footage.

In a few years time, I'll be fascinated by the dissection of this angle, especially how much of it was actually planned to go the way it did. I'm sure the early days of Page's boozing was meant to set him up as the heel, that and him getting the first tease of a split with the Buckshot that wasn't. Unfortunately/fortunately, just look at the guy. It might be because they've done such a bang-up job with him, but there's NO WAY he's anything but a face, especially with Kenny and the Bucks both being natural gaijin-style cocky pricks. The quintessential blue-eyed everyman, just as at home cutting soliloquies over eagle's nest in the woods as he is doing his housework with Dynamite CGI pyro as he is rolling up on a fucking horse and kicking serious ass both in the ring and at the bar. Outnumbered and betrayed by a gang of manipulative, arrogant neon shitbags. It's been such a breath of fresh air that it's easy to forget this is wrestling 101.

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It's certainly interesting looking back at the Hangman/Jericho title match. I really didn't get why they went with Hangman and I thought they'd done a terrible job of building him up as someone we were meant to care about. He just wasn't there at all.

Was that planned? Who knows. Seems a strange thing to 'plan' but as part of the overall story it certainly works. 

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2 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

It's certainly interesting looking back at the Hangman/Jericho title match. I really didn't get why they went with Hangman and I thought they'd done a terrible job of building him up as someone we were meant to care about. He just wasn't there at all.

Was that planned? Who knows. Seems a strange thing to 'plan' but as part of the overall story it certainly works. 

Definitely. They set it up with Hangman's disappointment both in the Bucks for not being enthusiastic about going to the ring with him and in himself for not winning. Afterwards, he looked to avoid the Elite and go his own way, but they all basically ignored what he wanted. It was a storyline for a while. 

I also reckon the plan has always been for him to be the face. While I think it went better than they expected in terms of his getting over, I think this has pretty much been the plan all along. Delayed a little, but not necessarily by lots.

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3 hours ago, Chris B said:

However this plays out, there's going to be a moment around two years from now where a heel group are dominating. And the Bucks will come out against them as faces, and bring out Cody. And then bring out Kenny. And then bring out Hangman. And the pop will just keep building.

I genuinely got goosebumps reading that. An then I got sad realising they'd likely play the horrendous BTE music over their reunion. Nothing makes The Elite feels less like stars than that cheap YouTube intro music. They need to bring Jim Johnston in to make his own rendition.

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42 minutes ago, Supremo said:

I genuinely got goosebumps reading that. An then I got sad realising they'd likely play the horrendous BTE music over their reunion. Nothing makes The Elite feels less like stars than that cheap YouTube intro music. They need to bring Jim Johnston in to make his own rendition.

While I agree about the music, that won't come until AFTER the big moment. Each individual entrance with music. The moment with all of them looking at each other, then standing together against their opponents. THEN the music hits. That's fine, especially with the crowd joining in.

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5 hours ago, CavemanLynn said:

Unless I missed something, I thought it was pretty clear the Bucks hated Hangman, and Kenny, up until recently, was torn. But FTR's meddling with Hangman has convinced Kenny he was holding the team together and didn't need Hangman, hence his blase attitude to the tag title loss and decision that the next step of his AEW career was singles competition. This is on top of him repeatedly stating that the Bucks were the best tag team in the world, while him and Hangman had the belts, so no doubt Kenny is happy for the Bucks to take the tags from Dax and Cash while he gets singles gold and the Elite are all belted up.

To be clear, all I'm saying is that I don't think it was FTR that convinced Hangman to cost the Bucks the title shot. It was Kenny.

Here's the interview segment with FTR and Page and Omega from before the PPV. Look at Omega's body language when Dax is demanding Hangman tell everybody who put him up to it? Look at his reaction to Dax saying "It wasn't us" and the look on his face when he says "It was you". He practically sighs in relief. I might well be overanalysing it, like, but Omega seems the type to do wee things like that for a reason.

I hope this is the direction they go in anyway. Hangman being manipulated by one his best friends and his tag team partner is a lot better than him being manipulated by a couple of guys who bought him some beer. It also makes Omega a far far more compelling heel and gives a really legitimate reason for the Bucks to hate both of them, whenever they decide to pull the trigger on it.

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Bit of a weird one from me, but how do you guys see the drinking story line end?

It's been heavily implied that Hangman is going to come to terms with the fact he's drinking too much.

But the fans really love the hard drinking cowboy who knocks back a beer with them after the match.

I worry that Page coming off the booze may appear to be a little holier than thou if he knocks it on the head completely.

The other way out of it is having him do a Stone Cold and carry on knocking back beer after the match but no-longer be drunk in the backstage skits. Does that make light of real life alcoholism?

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I think if he goes the route of understanding that doing it before matches and backstage was having a detrimental effect on him being the best he can be but he's shown to wolf that he can do it in moderation its not making light of anything, more showing how far a person he's come. 

I don't think they're portraying him as an alcoholic, more that he's so emotionally beat up he's using it as a crutch, if he can work to make himself healthier it works. 

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15 minutes ago, Shy Dad said:

I think if he goes the route of understanding that doing it before matches and backstage was having a detrimental effect on him being the best he can be but he's shown to wolf that he can do it in moderation its not making light of anything, more showing how far a person he's come. 

I don't think they're portraying him as an alcoholic, more that he's so emotionally beat up he's using it as a crutch, if he can work to make himself healthier it works. 

Tell me if I'm wrong for saying this but that seems like such a thin line there, I was saying back when his drinking was first portrayed as a potential problem that they're really walking down a dangerous road.

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It's an incredibly thin line you're right but it comes from a lot of experience, both myself and in family members. 

I've family members who are alcoholics and it's more that they can't go day to day without a drink, whereas I have friends (and my own struggles) where I've at times used alcohol to calm my brain, make me more confident and self assured but it's had a negative effect when I've pushed it too far. Knowing that I try to push myself back but at times it rears its head. It's not that I drink for drinks sake or can't stop, it's that my intentions around it can be askewed. 

I see a lot of myself in Page's story of feeling almost like he's in imposter syndrome and that he doesn't deserve the good he has. It's just that it's manifesting itself into a way he feels he's able to subside it. 

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