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3 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said:

@Edgehead So who of the young guard would you put in his place? I’m not calling you out or anything, you’ve raised the point and I’m interested to know.
You say you don’t see anything in Kip Sabian, which is fine that’s your opinion, but not everyone has to have that “it factor” or be considered a star. For all we know, Kip might be perfectly happy being rotated on and off TV as and when they need him.

Scorpio Sky is a interesting one as they do seem to distancing him from SCU more and more. He is 37 though, so it’s now or never with him if they’re going to try and make him a featured part of the show. 

I would say a lot of the other young guard have good positions already and stand out a lot more than Sabian.

I'd hope they will really look to move Sammy on from the Hardy feud which they look like to be dropping. The Inner Circle are splintering off on to their own things right now so perhaps giving Sammy a Spanish Goddess would replace the Kip and Ford role more successfully. He also has his vlog which appeals to the youth crowd. He is also a much better worker that is over.

MJF, Wardlow, Darby,  and Jungle Boy are moving along nicely.

They do need to run with Sky, and Penta/Fenix as singles sooner rather than later as they are all awesome.

I felt Miro's debut hurt him with his association with a very lower level guy. I can't see it bringing him up, move like lowering Miro down. 

It's clear I'm in the minority here though so maybe I'm wrong and he will show improvements in his overall deal. I hated the Dark Order stuff but the BTE segments and the strong angle against Cody has me interested in Cody coming back and getting his revenge (despite his announcement after this weeks Dynamite killing the injury.)

So he may turn it around. Just not a fan of his work currently.

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Right people, right time, just the wrong location.

Fucking hell who’s arsed. Let people get excited about things.

For a TV Guide photoshoot promoting a new wrestling show, this is what you want to see. Not you brothers wedding reception, like those cunts above. You're selling professional wrestling. Nothing else.

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Been thinking the last few days re the Hangman story, and how you’d expect there to be some legend comes in and gives him the pep talk promo to get his mind right. Top pick and ain’t gonna happen would be Austin. Then more realistic Bret. Anything as long as it’s not DDP 

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8 minutes ago, Louch said:

Been thinking the last few days re the Hangman story, and how you’d expect there to be some legend comes in and gives him the pep talk promo to get his mind right. Top pick and ain’t gonna happen would be Austin. Then more realistic Bret. Anything as long as it’s not DDP 

It will probably end up being DDP

My prediction is that it was Omega that got in Hangman's head all along and the Bucks forgive Page and its Page vs Omega with Page getting his big singles win for the world title (after Omega beats Mox at Full Gear) and he becomes AEW's ace. 

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Kip and Ford are a great lower card act, he kinda reminds me of heel wcw Jericho just a mouthy twat above his station. And makes most of all his tv time.

Together they're like an annoying love island Instagram couple, so smug and "perfect together".

Even the "Bad Boy/Girl" names are suited, two twats that bought black skinny jeans and a cheap leather jacket from Topman and is now a "rockstar/bad boy".

You'll either love or hate them depending on age or what category you fit in.

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30 minutes ago, Tsurutagun said:

It will probably end up being DDP

My prediction is that it was Omega that got in Hangman's head all along and the Bucks forgive Page and its Page vs Omega with Page getting his big singles win for the world title (after Omega beats Mox at Full Gear) and he becomes AEW's ace. 

I agree with this. Kenny was just a bit too understanding of Hangman costing the Buck's a title shot and getting kicked out of the Elite. I don't think he even questioned it at all did he? Besides I think it suits both their characters far more than "FTR did it".

I wouldn't have the Bucks forgive Hangman though. That's something you can leave bubbling away in the background and revisit when you need to. There's no need to wrap it up. Just have Kenny, Page and The Bucks all hate each other.

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the drinking aspect of Page/Omega is something I never thought they'd be able to handle all that well, but they have, and it does a good job of being a kind of microcosm of the whole story - Hangman drinks because he's insecure and second-guessing himself, but Kenny's teetotal so he sees the drinking itself as the problem and is blind to what Page is actually going through. 

Meanwhile, Page is insecure because he was the one of The Elite that doesn't get all the hype and attention, so he doesn't think they're really his friends, or that he belongs with them. So when someone like FTR treat him like a friend and offer him a beer, he's happy to be included, but Omega just sees it as him valuing beer over making their team work. 

 

In real life, two wrestling friends of mine had a similar dynamic - one had never drunk in his life, one was an alcoholic. I would sometimes meet the alcoholic one for a drink to talk through matches or whatever, and the non-drinking one would get really angry because he saw it as just encouraging his drinking - I'd explain that if he's drinking with me, he's having two or three pints in a couple of hours, rather than two or three bottles of wine in the same timespan on his own at home, but the non-drinker didn't see the distinction; any drinking was just him fucking up. I see a lot of that in how Omega carries himself in this feud.

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7 minutes ago, unfitfinlay said:

I agree with this. Kenny was just a bit too understanding of Hangman costing the Buck's a title shot and getting kicked out of the Elite. I don't think he even questioned it at all did he? Besides I think it suits both their characters far more than "FTR did it".

I wouldn't have the Bucks forgive Hangman though. That's something you can leave bubbling away in the background and revisit when you need to. There's no need to wrap it up. Just have Kenny, Page and The Bucks all hate each other.

Unless I missed something, I thought it was pretty clear the Bucks hated Hangman, and Kenny, up until recently, was torn. But FTR's meddling with Hangman has convinced Kenny he was holding the team together and didn't need Hangman, hence his blase attitude to the tag title loss and decision that the next step of his AEW career was singles competition. This is on top of him repeatedly stating that the Bucks were the best tag team in the world, while him and Hangman had the belts, so no doubt Kenny is happy for the Bucks to take the tags from Dax and Cash while he gets singles gold and the Elite are all belted up.

Meanwhile, I really don't think Hangman needs a pep talk, and in fact I think that would only weaken him. To have him so dependent on another external voice to pick him back up makes him look pathetic as opposed to sympathetic. His belief needs to come from within. I don't know exactly how it would play out, but it needs to be him standing up for himself on his own, possibly even after a sustained kicking from Kenny and the Bucks, where he just starts no-selling everything.

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16 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

the drinking aspect of Page/Omega is something I never thought they'd be able to handle all that well, but they have, and it does a good job of being a kind of microcosm of the whole story - Hangman drinks because he's insecure and second-guessing himself, but Kenny's teetotal so he sees the drinking itself as the problem and is blind to what Page is actually going through. 

Meanwhile, Page is insecure because he was the one of The Elite that doesn't get all the hype and attention, so he doesn't think they're really his friends, or that he belongs with them. So when someone like FTR treat him like a friend and offer him a beer, he's happy to be included, but Omega just sees it as him valuing beer over making their team work. 

 

In real life, two wrestling friends of mine had a similar dynamic - one had never drunk in his life, one was an alcoholic. I would sometimes meet the alcoholic one for a drink to talk through matches or whatever, and the non-drinking one would get really angry because he saw it as just encouraging his drinking - I'd explain that if he's drinking with me, he's having two or three pints in a couple of hours, rather than two or three bottles of wine in the same timespan on his own at home, but the non-drinker didn't see the distinction; any drinking was just him fucking up. I see a lot of that in how Omega carries himself in this feud.

It's the reason I adore the Hangman Page character so much. As someone who suffers from anxiety and a self esteem issues, I can totally relate to Page. I have read way too many takes online this past week about it not being great that wrestlers are talking about their feelings and are being sad. I bet that a significant portion of fans can totally relate to Hangman Page

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Omega and Bucks need that 2016-7 heel thing going, full on "we believe we're the fucking best" "best bout machine" "no one can touch us" type stuff.

Omega was great as the calm but cocky "Cleaner" with the cocky smug bucks talking him and backing him up.

With Inner Circle kinda cooling off, a top heel trio of The Elite going after Mox then Page chasing them is months of great story to tell but enough of shades of grey stuff they need to go full on heel and make a statement not a whimper.

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I've said before that I'm pretty convinced that Omega assumed Ibushi would come with him to AEW, and that whatever they're doing with Omega and Page is them retrofitting a Golden Lovers story on to a new character. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kenny Omega almost immediately booked himself into an emotionally motivated tag team break-up story, he just changed things around to fit the change of cast.

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7 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

I've said before that I'm pretty convinced that Omega assumed Ibushi would come with him to AEW, and that whatever they're doing with Omega and Page is them retrofitting a Golden Lovers story on to a new character. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kenny Omega almost immediately booked himself into an emotionally motivated tag team break-up story, he just changed things around to fit the change of cast.

Do you think it would've worked as well with Ibushi? Especially with an American audience?

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2 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

Do you think it would've worked as well with Ibushi? Especially with an American audience?

I think the story would have been different - played more off their own pre-existing relationship rather than questions of anxiety and insecurity - but they'd be toying with doing the whole "will they/won't they" angle in NJPW for what felt like forever, and it got a reasonable amount of mainstream attention as an example of LGBT representation in wrestling.

I think that extra dynamic of them being potentially a couple or ex-couple, and their shared history, would have added something that would have more than made up for any potential worries of the language barrier impacting on Kota Ibushi's involvement. It would have required Kenny Omega to do more of the heavy lifting in terms of verbal storytelling - and your mileage may vary on how well that would work, but there is a clip of him hunched over practically in tears when asked at a press conference whether Ibushi was going to sign with AEW, so I'm sure it's always been something he had in mind. I just think it's too much of a coincidence that his big flagship story in NJPW was around a tag team partner, and he's doing the same in AEW.

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