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1 minute ago, Lorne Malvo said:

@mim731 I think they're stuck in Canada due to travel restrictions. It's only been mentioned in passing on commentary once or twice though, so easy to miss.

Ta! Wasn't sure if it was just something they dropped, or it had been mentioned. Must have missed that entirely. 

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On 5/25/2020 at 2:53 PM, Shy Dad said:

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I bloody love it. 

They could’ve gone super niche and have someone in a pink vest that was too small for them try to reverse it but failing. Then look forlornly at a woman who doesn’t fancy him. 

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Now AEW is a year in, let's go back and see who predicted what correctly!

https://ukff.com/topic/139260-all-elite-wrestling-trademarks-filed/

Sadly they didn't get Okada, I still maintain Cody > Rollins, and fortunately MJF has turned out to be much more than a shit Alberto Del Rio knock off!

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“I think Jericho is more concerned with his legacy than the paydays at this point, if he had a loose contract I think he’d be happy just picking up internet points. Can’t see WWE chucking him many proper big pay days at this point.

I think wrestlers would be more interested in Cody’s rejuvenated career, if he could help them do the same I could totally see him being able to get workers like Revival. Guys like Aries and Pac would have also made the jump had the timing been different”

I said that end of 2018, which is an alright prediction compared to other people thinking they’d be level with MLW and bleed money. Last I heard they were turning a profit while still paying all talent during a pandemic. Khan has even been paying Cage since January despite the guy being injured.

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It's probably fair to say that AEW has outperformed early expectations. Reading that thread, the general feeling was that it'd struggle enormously, and most likely be a Global Force Wrestling style shitshow. Also, who would have thought Cody would end up having such a strong year?

I was reading through and thinking that, when I saw this post. Not trying to call out @IANdrewDiceClay out here or anything, because it was very much my take on Sammy Guevara when I first saw him (and watched him with his panda-hood). Who would have thought he'd become one of the best things in wrestling so fast?

It's a shame you can't edit posts in locked threads. I'd totally have put something in there about predicting the coronavirus.

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Its always fun to look back on old threads after so much has happened with regards to the topic. 

Having glanced over the first 20 pages or so I honestly forgot how much people thought this was gonna fail, be a nothing enterprise, even comments about the show not even making it to a big network like TNT and being a new TNA essentially. 

I'll be honest even as someone who was fully up for the idea at the time as something fresh and new, I don't even think I really thought that it would be as big as its become. 

It could still get bigger with the next 6 months ahead, depending on when shows and arenas return to some stability. The likes of Handsome Rusev being on the radar, Rey Mysterios contract being up soon, even the likes of a proper return for PAC, Pentagon and Co once they can re enter the country, the roster could still get much stronger from coming off a super hot pay per view. 

 

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I remember shitting all over Orange Cassidy when they signed him based on, admittedly, a limited number of YouTube videos and a fear he represented the same kind of ironic comedy that would plague their early pre-shows. How wrong I was. OC is one of the best things about the company, and his match with PAC is probably my favourite match of this year.

Truth be told, very few of their signings have flopped, and even the ones who have generally have some level of upside. They’ve done an outstanding job of compiling a roster. Even the Women’s Division, a long-standing weak point, is starting to look good with Britt Baker, Nyla Rose, Shida, Penelope Ford and Big Swole all either compelling characters or wrestlers.

As far as this place goes, a special mention to @UK Kat Von D. I really enjoy reading his posts about AEW each week, whether I agree with them or not. 

 

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Yet again, it's all about Sammy. When I first saw him, with his shit panda head and the "he calls himself The Best Ever" shtick which is not only a shit name but a shit name badly delivered, I thought he had local indy shitarse written all over him. It's brilliant to be so incredibly fucking wrong from time to time.

What was the turning point with him? Trying to get Jericho to laugh? Singing his entrance theme? I'm sure all that character stuff came before all the mad bumps and selling.

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He’s got steadily better and better since Dynamite started, I don’t think there was one moment you could point to. He had a great match with Cody on the first episode, but to me it’s more like generally being in segments with Jericho on a regular basis has helped him to become the star he is. Even in the earlier Inner Circle in-ring stuff like the Thanksgiving episode he shone - it’s just got shinier and shinier as the months have passed.

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The turning point for me was watching Jericho beaming at him from the stage as Sammy belted himself hoarse soloing "Judas in my Mind". A proper look of a proud dad saying "That's my boy!". Sammy was already on the up at this point, but this was the moment I officially bought in on Guevara.

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Initially I was quietly confident that would do a couple of ppvs that would be solid and draw well but figured there TV would be TNA level and that they would run smaller buildings for TV. The TNT rumours started and I really didn't dare to think it was true.

The only thing I really saw coming was that Cody would be a genuine main event draw and a bloody good one at that. There was many a doubter on that one but the Aldis match at All In proved it and there was no way that match was an accident. So when there was a fair amount of 'imagine thinking Stardust could be a main eventer' well after that I quietly said to myself this guy has it.

Other than that AEW has out performed my wildest dreams. At best I thought it could be as good as TNA when it was pretty good. But for my money Dynamite has been on the level of monday night war Nitro/Raw great pretty consistently and the ppvs have been even better.

 

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Add me to the love of AEW. I was excited when this began, yet saw it as hopefully an entertaining alternative in the same way TNA was between 2006 - 2012 thinking i would never cough up in the same way as I have for WWE (been to Mania twice in last 4 years albeit an excuse to a holiday destination i wanted). I could honestly imagine doing Vegas whilst AEW is on to kill those 2 birds 1 stone.

Everything about it is superb. When Jericho was on commentary i found myself watching whole episodes of weekly television which is something i haven't done for years. There is always some fast forward in there.

The tag teams matter. From not getting Orange Cassidy at the beginning I now find him fascinating, Darby Allin has got the IT factor, Cody does big matches like nobody else around, Mox is now interesting, the Broken Matt stuff is entertaining, Britt Baker is the most entertaining female in wrestling right now, Stables are great, and the stories matter. 

Only downsides for me is i don't see how Jimmy Havoc fits this environment, Nor Joey Janela, feels like they need a constant of hardcore matches. Though i guess you need some jobbers. 

Sometimes I dread seeing a performer sign with WWE for what could happen to them, whereas i am excited if they sign tainted talent released by WWE as they could make them seem stars. 

Liking how some of the PPV's have themed names too in All in, All out, Double or Nothing. Gives them opportunity to have a load more such as Roulette themed one, Royal flush, blackjack etc.

On Double or Nothing - Stadium Stampede was superb. Was everything that Money in the bank match wanted to be. Drowning spot didn't bother me, fit with the gimmick. I know the Ultra sensitive PC brigade and society look for things to nit pick i couldn't fault it. Humour, action. and memorable moments. Was half expecting Hager vs Cole to become like that scene in mean machine where they take a shot then slap one another. 

Cody and Archer was also really good. Kept Archer strong and cody wins clean. Same can be said for Mox vs Lee. Their booking at present is great. Be nice to see the tag titles a little more active.

Cannot wait to see PAC back in the mix. One of my favourite things on tv. 

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I was quietly optimistic after the first press conference, though before that I was a bit doom and gloom - I saw too many people hyping the company us as a WWE-beating surefire hit before they even officially existed or had a name. There were rumours in the early days of everyone from Randy Orton to Sting jumping ship from WWE, how they'd sign up all this talent, with one of the shittier news sites even saying that John Cena might jump ship purely because he's apparently friends with Cody. As so often happens, the fans put me off the product before I'd ever seen it, through the usual entitled mess of expecting a realistic, down-to-earth show with lots of flying robots, and wrestling's insistence on reliving a brief window of time in the late '90s meaning that nobody could contextualise another major wrestling organisation existing without seeing it in terms of WCW to the WWF.

I hadn't been a fan of the All In show that preceded AEW, for the most part, and kind of expected more of the same. I also wasn't a fan of Being The Elite, and while I think the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega are occasionally capable of greatness, they are - and certainly were before AEW - far more consistently likely to indulge their worst qualities.

 

What I got hyped for during the first press conference was the signing of PAC (and what, at the time, felt like it would be a working relationship with Dragon Gate), the announcement of focus on the women's division, involving talent sharing agreements with multiple Joshi companies, the relationship with AAA, and the announcement that they would be partnering with OWE. I've said it countless times, but some of the younger talent in OWE I think are the closest thing wrestling is likely to get today to the experience of seeing Rey Misterio Jr in WCW for the first time and recognising it as a quantum leap in what is possible in professional wrestling. 

Pretty much all of that fell through - outside of the Lucha Bros, there's been no benefit to AEW of the AAA relationship, OWE amounted to CIMA and T-Hawk showing up a few times but none of the young lads, and while I was excited to see Aja Kong and Emi Sakura announced, Aja Kong vanished entirely despite being flown in for one show just to do a staredown spot, and while Emi got a title shot against Riho, they never invested any time into explaining why that mattered. I also think that Emi hasn't even come close to showing her full potential in AEW - and some of that is on her as much as on the promotion. The women's division as a whole has been a bit of a damp squib, as much as a fan of some of the people in it as I am.

 

Where it's succeeded is just in good TV, far moreso than I thought it would. There's been a logic to most of what's happened, and a charm to most of what hasn't been logical. They've been quick to undo bad decisions, and generally there's more good than bad. They've taken a guy in Hangman Page who I used to say was the last person I would ever remember was in Bullet Club, and who I'd forget existed the moment I wasn't watching him wrestle, and turned him into one of my favourite acts in the whole company. They've made a TV star out of Orange Cassidy, and they've proved that Jericho's stock in wrestling is even higher than people thought. 

 

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