Jump to content
MPDTT

The AEW Wednesday Night Dynamite Thread

Recommended Posts

4 hours ago, tiger_rick said:

TNA at it's peak drew nearly as many viewers as Raw does now.

And never managed to turn that into money with merch or ticket sales. Part of TNA stink is being able to take something with buckets of potential and just pour it down the drain. AEW are great at getting money out of whatever they can.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, UK Kat Von D said:

And never managed to turn that into money with merch or ticket sales. Part of TNA stink is being able to take something with buckets of potential and just pour it down the drain. AEW are great at getting money out of whatever they can.

They're selling bucket loads of merch, aren't they? I can see those figures doing pretty well too, how many years was it before TNA had any.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Gay as FOOK said:

Or pay per view buys. 

But yeah, the fact that TNA at its height still failed to sell out Bound For Glorys in 2,500 seat civic centres in major urban areas is somewhat mystifying. They were still fairly well known to most wrestling fans at a time the business was quite healthy, if we're to broadly go with 2006-2010 as their peak years. 

The fact that AEW started out of the gate as a hot ticket in decent arenas will tell you how much the smart/internet/pro wrestling as nerd universe audience has become the dominant cash cow in the last ten years. And how well they marketed themselves, obviously. 

I agree.

It was always said that advertising and promotion was a major, major flaw in TNA. Even when it had Hogan etc and was paying top dollar for talent, the size of the organisation itself was miniscule with whomever they had on the payroll wearing so many hats (look at Borash for example).

It still annoys me how decision makers in that company managed to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah they genuinely seemed to be taking off at one point with the video game etc... I guess it was bigger here in the UK than the US. Some of the young lads at my work love Sting and Angke and only saw them in TNA... its fucking weird.

Another wrestling game would be nice hopefully AEW dips into that.

Hell, even an NWA game full of legends would be sweet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Gay as FOOK said:

The fact that AEW started out of the gate as a hot ticket in decent arenas will tell you how much the smart/internet/pro wrestling as nerd universe audience has become the dominant cash cow in the last ten years. And how well they marketed themselves, obviously. 

But the ticket sales dying a death after the first few weeks isn’t a good sign of sustainability. Like the original TNA, to some extent that doesn’t matter because rich parents, but it’s not growing in popularity the way a startup should. Although the money in wrestling now (besides Saudi and TV rights deals for WWE) is just fleecing the hardcore fanbase for every last dollar anyway, and they’ve got the brand loyalty to get that part sorted. Even if AEW draws 800 fans, each one will probably buy four t-shirts on the night and already bought seven online.

When dey do turn on the company though, I can see bringing in Matt Hardy and Luke Harper being one of the things talked about as a negative. Using knackered old midcard boys from WWE in the top spots isn’t a great way of standing out as an alternative. Harper as leader of the Voodoo Kin Mafia might turn out alright, but the Matt Hardy gimmick has shat the bed on arrival and runs the risk of dragging the Elite down with it. By rights, Hardy will be shunted down to his own Troma universe away from the main event after this, but the lads have made such a point of letting wrestlers do what they want and using them higher up the card than WWE did, can/will they even tackle it with him?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

But the ticket sales dying a death after the first few weeks isn’t a good sign of sustainability. Like the original TNA, to some extent that doesn’t matter because rich parents, but it’s not growing in popularity the way a startup should. Although the money in wrestling now (besides Saudi and TV rights deals for WWE) is just fleecing the hardcore fanbase for every last dollar anyway, and they’ve got the brand loyalty to get that part sorted. Even if AEW draws 800 fans, each one will probably buy four t-shirts on the night and already bought seven online.

And therein lies the problem. Generally the eye has been taken off the ball in terms of trying to grow the wrestling audience and attract your traditional wide ranging fanbase, in favour of everyone trying to appeal and wring every last penny out of the same narrow demographic that will always be there anyway. 

The most popular periods in wrestling aren't known for the high quality of the in-ring action, with more emphasis on the characters, promo work etc. This seems to have been forgotten.

Edited by garynysmon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, garynysmon said:

And therein lies the problem. Generally the eye has been taken off the ball in terms of trying to grow the wrestling audience and attract your traditional wide ranging fanbase, in favour of everyone trying to appeal and wring every last penny out of the same narrow demographic that will always be there anyway. 

The most popular periods in wrestling aren't known for the high quality of the in-ring action, with more emphasis on the characters, promo work etc. This seems to have been forgotten.

Nobody has foolproof ideas to grow the audience though, and it's dangerous to rock the boat with experiments. The first boom was about Vince's vision for taking wrestling mainstream, and the second boom was fighting for survival in the marketplace. Now, COVID aside, nobody's back is against the ropes, cruise control is comfortable. For AEW, their whole identity is built on appealing to disgruntled WWE fans, and deviating from that will alienate those fans eventually - like it did when the first TNA tried to grow. Their challenge is always going to be walking the fine line of how much anti-WWE fan service is just right. For WWE, the milquetoast, stage-managed product is bringing in more money than any other era did, so throwing some radical shit at the wall is too risky until one of the bubbles bursts.

Edited by King Pitcos

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, King Pitcos said:

When dey do turn on the company though, I can see bringing in Matt Hardy and Luke Harper being one of the things talked about as a negative. Using knackered old midcard boys from WWE in the top spots isn’t a great way of standing out as an alternative. Harper as leader of the Voodoo Kin Mafia might turn out alright, but the Matt Hardy gimmick has shat the bed on arrival and runs the risk of dragging the Elite down with it. By rights, Hardy will be shunted down to his own Troma universe away from the main event after this, but the lads have made such a point of letting wrestlers do what they want and using them higher up the card than WWE did, can/will they even tackle it with him?

I think so. As someone else said, they sacked off the Nightmare Collective pretty quick and that was Brandi's idea, with one of Jericho's best mates involved. Same with the original plans for the Dark Order. They obviously had big plans for them when they took out all the top babyfaces, and then quickly backtracked after seeing the reaction to it. They are apparently good mates with Grayson and Uno outside the ring, and they still went "Sorry. You two aren't good enough". Politics really doesn't seem like a big issue.

Anyway, as crap as that segment was, I don't think Matt Hardy is beyond saving, even as a top guy. They just need to tweak it so there's far more emphasis on Hardy being mentally unstable and delusional than him actually being 3000 years old and able to teleport. I'd like to think even Hardy is smart enough to realise that it isn't going to work, given the general reaction to it online.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hardy shouldn’t be a top guy, he would fit well in the upper mid card as the guys to best to get to top with Dustin. Hardy has came out on twitter saying he’s seen the reactions. , can see it being tweaked when he next appears. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They are really stupid to debut people now, Brodie and Hardy are big signings and having them go out there with no crowd is ridiculous. I can tolerate these weird Covid shows but nothing of note should be happening on them, WWE are having a similar problem with having to build up Wrestlemania despite all the limitations.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, HeavyT said:

What were the ticket sales like for dynamite generally? Always seemed a healthy crowd to me.

They came out the box so strong that scalpers over bought and messed with predictions a bit. Big shows are always a sell out but Dynamite usually only packs out the side of the arena facing the hard cam. Blood and Guts was going to be their biggest crowd yet with 14000 tickets sold

Edited by UK Kat Von D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, UK Kat Von D said:

They came out the box so strong that scalpers over bought and messed with predictions a bit. Big shows are always a sell out but Dynamite usually only packs out the side of the arena facing the hard cam. Blood and Guts was going to be their biggest crowd yet with 14000 tickets sold

So are we talking still crowds of a couple thousand for dynamite? Thats tail outselling TNAs  biggest PPVs.Youd think they could book arenas a bit smaller, always looks nice on TV

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, HeavyT said:

So are we talking still crowds of a couple thousand for dynamite? Thats tail outselling TNAs  biggest PPVs.Youd think they could book arenas a bit smaller, always looks nice on TV

The record low is 2,950 for a Dynamite episode and TNA’s biggest attendance ever was 7,200 at Lockdown 2013. AEW PPVs have gotten 8,500-11,000 attendances.

 

Edited by UK Kat Von D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...