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I think you're stretching credulity to suggest that a first-time viewer wouldn't be able to tell separate human beings apart just because they're in the same location, or be able to put two and two together and figure out why two wrestlers might wear matching gear. They're a hypothetical first-time viewer of this programme, not a newly arrived Martian with no broader context for human culture.

The issue is more that there is character and narrative development going on off-screen rather than on. I wouldn't expect to sit through an episode of Breaking Bad, and then check out Bryan Cranston's YouTube channel a few days later to have parts of it explained to me.

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14 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

They're a hypothetical first-time viewer of this programme, not a newly arrived Martian with no broader context for human culture.

Even then, Kris Statlander is from the Andromeda galaxy apparently and she grasps the concept of a two-hour TV wrestling show perfectly well. Almost enough to make you suspect she isn't genuinely an alien.

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Kris Statlander is one thing that annoys me - and did before AEW as well. 

I appreciate anyone on the indies who, having built up a name and a reputation, isn't afraid to think, "this isn't quite working, let's try something new", and take a gamble on a new gimmick or persona. And the alien gimmick is fun! But she hedged her bets and stuck with the existing, ordinary name. "Kris Statlander" isn't an alien's name. 

And I understand not changing it while she was on the indies and still banking on prior name value, but now she's locked down to a contract, that should have been an opportunity.

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38 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

"Kris Statlander" isn't an alien's name. 

 

Kris Moonlander

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38 minutes ago, BrodyGraham said:

Whenever I watch Football Focus I get super angry that all this extra texture and detail isn't on Match of the Day.

Oh wait.........

If the best bit of the game was on FF and not MOTD, you would be.

That's the issue here. It's not that they're putting extra stuff on YouTube, it's that they're putting better stuff on than on TV. Stuff that better tells the stories than what's on TV. WWE do the same with their characters. On TV, they're fucking dweebs. On YouTube, they're the coolest people on the planet. Some of them anyway, not you Ziggler.

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1 hour ago, BomberPat said:

Kris Statlander is one thing that annoys me - and did before AEW as well. 

I appreciate anyone on the indies who, having built up a name and a reputation, isn't afraid to think, "this isn't quite working, let's try something new", and take a gamble on a new gimmick or persona. And the alien gimmick is fun! But she hedged her bets and stuck with the existing, ordinary name. "Kris Statlander" isn't an alien's name. 

And I understand not changing it while she was on the indies and still banking on prior name value, but now she's locked down to a contract, that should have been an opportunity.

Was Clark Kent an aliens name? Maybe if she pronounced her full alien name you would end up in a coma??? These things I don't mind so much in storytelling entertainment, but it'd take 15 seconds to explain and the laziness annoys me. 

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2 minutes ago, poetofthedeed said:

Was Clark Kent an aliens name?

His Kryptonian name was Kal-El (or Kal-L on Earth-2). His human name came from his adopted parents, who were a bunch of Kents.

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I really don’t think showing a three to five minute video on the big screen, “kills,” a live crowd. If anything, whenever I’ve attended a live TV recording it’s only added to the excitement, getting caught up in the characters or stories before seeing them live in the flesh. To this day, one of my favourite experiences at any live event is the, “Baba O’Reilly,” montage the UFC play before their events start. It’s absolute magic, every time.

I wonder if it’s yet another case of AEW being so obsessed with being an alternative to WWE that it’s at the expense of their product. 

In WWE, everything is boiled down to one or two notes and everything is hammered home to an almost comical level. Every advert break is followed by a, “Moments Ago,” recap and if a big moment happens then you’ll see it repeated over and over, week after week, music video after music video. Absolutely nothing is left to memory or assumption.

It wouldn’t shock me at all if The Elite guys think WWE’s approach insults the fan’s intelligence, which is why everything is far more scattered on Dynamite, most guys usually have an A and B feud running simultaneously, and we almost never get a recap video. 

I get it, but there has to be a happy medium. Don’t treat your fans like morons but then also don’t assume they watch and remember everything and wouldn’t appreciate a quick recap or a fun video package. I’ve watched everything they’ve put out so far but still thought that MJF/Cody video was fucking boss. Imagine having a moment as good as that MJF turn and not showing it over and over again. In fact, where the fuck is the footage of that fan throwing a drink at MJF as he walked to the back? That was money!

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21 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

If the best bit of the game was on FF and not MOTD, you would be.

That's the issue here. It's not that they're putting extra stuff on YouTube, it's that they're putting better stuff on than on TV. Stuff that better tells the stories than what's on TV. WWE do the same with their characters. On TV, they're fucking dweebs. On YouTube, they're the coolest people on the planet. Some of them anyway, not you Ziggler.

The thing is, AEW are sometimes acting like they're Chikara when in reality they should be behaving like a true national/international promotion should.  

Fair enough, if it was a niche product that the audience had to go to a massive effort to seek them out, then it would be fine to tuck away crucial content on Youtube.

But (and I consider myself in this category) when they're on a massive network that surely depends on casual as well as hardcore fans, then why not make it as easy as possible for your audience? The TV rights will dwarf any other income stream they have.

Just because a big chunk of the audience are quite smarky and into their workrate, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be looking to grow your audience as much as possible and become a bit broader. Yet it sometimes comes across that some sections of the wrestling fanbase don't want it to become too popular again.

During the height of the Attitude Era, you could watch Raw without necessarily having to bother with Superstars/Metal etc but were there as auxiliary programming. Nothing of major significance happened on these shows but they were there.

I'm happy to watch AEW for free on ITV4 every week but have never watched an episode of Being the Elite, and kind of resent the idea of being almost forced to in order to understand some of what's going on. I suspect that I represent a fair chunk of the TV audience there.

While everyone has access to the internet these days, not everyone is as sad as us and spend time on message boards talking about it and watching old and current Youtube videos.

Its fine to refer to its online content on the TV show, but if anything of great entertainment/storyline importance happens, then at least show some of it on the main TV show! 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Carbomb said:

His Kryptonian name was Kal-El (or Kal-L on Earth-2). His human name came from his adopted parents, who were a bunch of Kents.

That's what I mean, I'd love a vignette where it's explained that she took the name to fit in on earth, or go the whole hog and do a mini movie of her life..... I can't believe that a comic book nerd, a video game nerd and whatever the fuck the young bucks are can't write a background for a backflipping alien......

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Easiest thing to do would be have each show open with one of their ten minute video packages, getting everyone upto date and into the show for the evening. That way fans in the live crowd haven’t had their show interrupted and viewers at home will know to tune in from the start to see what’s happening that night 

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3 minutes ago, poetofthedeed said:

That's what I mean, I'd love a vignette where it's explained that she took the name to fit in on earth, or go the whole hog and do a mini movie of her life..... I can't believe that a comic book nerd, a video game nerd and whatever the fuck the young bucks are can't write a background for a backflipping alien......

Yeh, I'd love something like that, especially if they directly ripped off the Superman mythos with her crash-landing in rural America and being raised by the Statlander family.

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