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58 minutes ago, DCW said:

Tazz has boarded the gravy train, can't be any worse than JR I suppose.

https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1217838923050881027

Michael Cole and Tazz were the two voices I’d hear every week on Smackdown when I started watching wrestling when I was a young teenager, so I’ve always been fond of his commentary and that team in a way a lot of people are fond of JR/Lawler.

So I’m pleased about this signing, and I’m curious to see where he fits in. 

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2 hours ago, RedRooster said:

So I’m pleased about this signing, and I’m curious to see where he fits in. 

Hopefully a chair

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It was a solid show. The only low point, as always, was the Brandi Rhodes stuff, but I've taken to just fast-forwarding the majority of stuff involving that lot.

I was a bit disappointing we didn't see anyone messing around with the beach set, throwing giant beach balls or something at each other, but hopefully that's just because they're saving it for the cruise next week. I'm praying we see guys fighting in cabins or getting thrown overboard or whatever.

Ideally, Moxley keeps the Metal Gear Solid eye patch for a while.He looked great in it!

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10 minutes ago, Supremo said:

It was a solid show. The only low point, as always, was the Brandi Rhodes stuff, but I've taken to just fast-forwarding the majority of stuff involving that lot.

My tastes in wrestling are pretty simple really, weaned on classic 1990's wrestling (like most of us in fairness.) 

I don't feel that every non-PPV match should be an absolute classic nor should the wrestlers even be striving for it to be. If its just a 5 minute bout, similar to the NWA, then that is fine in most cases.

With AEW I find the over long matches to be quite problematic and end up fast forwarding through quite a lot, especially the droning opening match that always lacks even the most basic psychology.

I really wish that Dynamire were a 90 or even 60 minute show rather than the two hours. They genuinely wouldn't have to lose any storyline development, just cut a bit on the over long matches. 

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I don't mind longer matches if there's decent psychology. 

How much better the tag matches in AEW would be if they built to hot tags and psychology. I often FFwd the majority of tags because they are car crashes that seem never ending and repetitive. 

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What is the weird fixation in wrestling with using the word “psychology” rather than story, narrative, motivation etc the way one would when discussing other forms of drama? Is it an old kayfabe thing from when they didn’t want to give away that it was fake?

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3 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

What is the weird fixation in wrestling with using the word “psychology” rather than story, narrative, motivation etc the way one would when discussing other forms of drama? Is it an old kayfabe thing from when they didn’t want to give away that it was fake?

For me psychology means just that. Getting people drawn in, emotionally invested, hanging onto every near fall and twist. A little different to a story. 

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Half the time I think people just say, "psychology," without even thinking or caring about what it means. They just know there's a certain type of wrestling they're not supposed to like because Meltzer or Cornette told them, so whilst pretending they don't like it and not really knowing how to articulate as much, they just attribute it to, " bad psychology."

That opening four-way tag on this show was the perfect example of it. Everyone banging on about bad psychology and acrobatics, tagging Cornette on Twitter so they can go, "LOL It's just flips!" and feel all smug if he chucks them a like or retweet. It's not just flips though, is it? It's not like the lads are out there just doing somersaults onto crash-pads without rhyme or reason. They're attempting to win by hitting high-flying, acrobatic, impactful moves and counters that are completely in keeping with the accepted reality of pro-wrestling. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but that doesn't automatically mean, "bad psychology." Give me this type of match over a dead slow, boring match where everyone expertly works on a body part~! any day of the week. If anything, I thought they did a really good job in that match continuing to tease Adam Page's turn and building up the tension among The Elite, whilst still providing a fun sprint of a match with a fucking brilliant Orange Cassidy comedy spot in the middle. So glad they've started featuring Cassidy more on Dynamite rather than Dark. He's the best.

I've no problem watching long matches on TV provided they're fun, exciting matches or involve characters I care about. That's why this Brandi thing sucks so bad. Shit characters, shit storylines, shit matches. Look at that Mel girl, for example. Who the fuck even is she? Has it ever been explained? At least most characters in pro-wrestling start with the default of, "this person is a professional wrestler," and then they build from there, but that hasn't even been the case with Mel! She was just a woman in the crowd who wanted a haircut and now she's having matches. I think JR sort of half mentioned, "it looks like she has wrestling skills," during the match, but come on! I know they've got a fetish for spooky and mysterious factions but there's no excuse when the Nightmare Collective's entire act is mostly built around promos and vignettes to not have characters more fleshed out than "Jericho's mate from the 90s," and, "woman who wanted a trim."

The way Awesome Kong's aura has plummeted for being associated with this shit is really depressing, too. When she originally came in it felt like such a big deal. Her staredown with Ajar Kong was great. I know the rumours are that she's a physical wreck these days so can't really go, but still. A few power spots and squash matches is all she needed to continue her momentum. I'm sure Riho or one of the other small girls could've easily ran around her and bumped enough to get a good match out of her. Now though, she feels absolutely worthless.

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On 1/15/2020 at 7:06 PM, JNLister said:

Observer reporting $45 million a year deal, with TNT having an option to renew in 2024 at a "significantly increased price." No word on whether they are still getting a cut of the ad revenue. Even without it, you'd have to assume they can produce the TV for well under that money, so they're pretty much in guaranteed profit even before any ticket sales and PPV profits.

Update on this: they are still getting the ad revenue, but they aren't getting the production costs covered any more. And the $45 million a year is the average, but it'll start out lower, rise each year, and end up higher.

Based on the current ratings levels and taking into account the production costs, it works out as TNT getting $18 million more a year than the current deal, which means they'll be profitable this year.

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8 hours ago, Michael_3165 said:

For me psychology means just that. Getting people drawn in, emotionally invested, hanging onto every near fall and twist. A little different to a story. 

How is that different to a story?

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7 hours ago, Supremo said:

If anything, I thought they did a really good job in that match continuing to tease Adam Page's turn and building up the tension among The Elite, whilst still providing a fun sprint of a match with a fucking brilliant Orange Cassidy comedy spot in the middle.

JR genuinely cracking up repeating Excalibur's "He's assessing!" was great. Came across so authentic. 

Holy shit, but Darby Allin/Pac was good. Brutal as hell, and Allin needs some wins, but so much fun.

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Not the most original point, but if I were Khan I'd tell JR to shitcan his podcast. He loses credibility as an announcer when he uses his podcast to bury modern wrestling at seemingly any opportunity.

I do like him on AEW, mind. 

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3 hours ago, King Pitcos said:

How is that different to a story?

Wrestlers don't say "story" and we're all one of the boys, init.

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Tony Khan's been getting more hands on with the booking post Christmas, by all accounts. I knew nobody was daft enough to let the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega's vanity shite go on much longer. You can see a difference in the shows the last few weeks compared to that vomit they coughed up at the end of last year.

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