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So what happened with the thing between Nyla and Omega? On that one episode they teased something with him coming down to save Riho and then nothing mentioned again, there's been a few odd little things like that like with Awesome and Aja Kong too.

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2 hours ago, CavemanLynn said:

If Excalibur was any good at commentary, nobody would care about him wearing a mask. 

Agree. It's the least of his problems. 

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I read someone online trying to put the puzzle pieces together with that Butcher and the Blade thing.

They theorised that because Awesome Kong and Brandi Rhodes attacked Allie and cut her hair, that's what made Allie go and get her husband and his mate from the Independents to attack Brandi's husband for revenge.

I'm all for intertwining storylines but they can fuck off if that's the direction they go in. It's bad enough that Brandi is suddenly a heel when Cody is arguably the top babyface, but if they start muddling them together it's going to do nothing but take even more shine off Cody when he should be having the simplest, most basic of feuds with MJF.

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On Excalibur commentating with a mask on, I agree with BomberPat and BomberCar that pro-wrestling should have (more of) this eclectic mix of weird and wonderful characters including the likes of ones that wear masks and that this sort of behaviour is perfectly acceptable existing purely within pro-wrestling’s barmy little world. But, they are having a right laugh comparing it to Sasuke, Lucha in general and Jerry Lawler in full King garb. The history and traditions of Japan and Mexico, a wrestling legend known as the King of Memphis is the same as some American bloke that used to wrestle on the indies, wearing a shit Lucha mask just to do play by play, that has no relevance...or relevant history to anything, for a new wrestling company that reckons it presents itself as more sports based than its big rival company (that hires people for similar roles that do similar jobs for actual sports) is it? Is it fuck.
 

It’s fair enough saying explain why it’s more weird or embarrassing than any other shit in wrestling. But explain why he’s wearing it to commentate to begin with? There’s literally no reason beyond perhaps appealing to some PWG fans. There’s no grand history, tradition, mystique or wrestling legend behind it and it adds nothing to what he does or any semblance of character performance being portrayed. If any of those things applied, as it has with Lawler, Gorilla, Ventura, Savage, etc, fair enough. As it doesn’t, he may as well be wearing a fucking replica title belt while he’s at it.

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What is there to explain? He wears a mask because wrestlers wear masks. You don't need to know a single thing about PWG to understand that. I don't think I've ever watched an Excalibur match, but I'm not watching it thinking, "I can't possibly understand why this man would wear a mask". I think it massively insults the audience's intelligence to think that needs explaining, as if people can't figure that out on their own.

I also don't think he's a bad play-by-play guy at all, but he can't do TV storytelling yet. His two biggest fuck-ups have both been surprise tag team debuts - The Dark Order and The Butcher & The Blade - where he's just acted as if everyone would know who they are, rather than selling it. JR in those situations doesn't act kayfabe shocked so much as like he's grumpy it's been left off his format sheet. Schiavone's sorely missed in those moments.

The thing with Cody/Brandi is indicative of their characters from the moment they started booking each other. They flip flop from face to heel endlessly, sometimes within a single match.

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A really good show overall. 

Brilliant, action-packed opener. Dustin is amazing and this was arguably the best the Young Bucks have looked on TNT. I’m excited for their match next week.

Fantastic promo from Cody. Helped smooth out all the muddled nonsense whilst keeping the ultimate focus on building up the MJF match. 

Another home run from Jericho. Brilliantly set up Jungle Boy getting the rub whilst simultaneously building up the Moxley match. Nice, clever little touch getting interrupted on the name, “Marty....” too. I said last week that I wish they’d rehash the Jericho-Triple H thing where someone wins the belt for an hour or so and now that we’ve got the Jungle Boy match announced that’s exactly where I’d do it. Have Moxley  cost Jericho the match, have Jungle Boy to be seen wearing the belt at least for a little while, then switch it back later on.

Spoofing her appearance on Takeover was by far the best thing Britt Baker has ever done. Don’t think they mentioned she was a dentist, either! Unbelievable!

Between Nyla murdering everyone and Statlander getting the upset, it was nice to see the women are finally at least doing something. Weird how little we’ve seen of the actual Women’s Champ, though.

Fun main event. Mox continues to look like a superstar. 

The worst thing about the show by a considerable margin was the shit involving Brandi Rhodes. Smash all the, “symbolic,” thrones you want to try and pretend you’re something different, but this reeks of Stephanie McMahon. Doing her own shitty thing that completely contradicts and undermines what her husband is doing, with bad dialogue delivered to silence, completely ripping off the Straight Edge Society and talking down to everyone, this was a hodgepodge of everything people would complain about on WWE television. It also doesn’t help that there now seems to be three separate dark, E-fed-style cult-like factions. Get some agents and a bit of quality control, for fuck’s sake.

Finally, does anyone else not really miss Kenny Omega when he’s not featured? Not a good sign at all. 

But yeah. Seriously. I think Cody is my wrestler of the year. Match of the year with Dustin, promos of the year against Jericho and MJF, babyface of the year by miles, played a pivotal part in creating a new company that’s given the entire North American business a huge kick up the arse and frankly a walking embodiment of how fantastic pro wrestling can be if you stick to the basics and show a bit of passion. The lad made me really, really care about a Tye Dillinger match, for fuck’s sake. He’s the best.

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9 minutes ago, Supremo said:

The worst thing about the show by a considerable margin was the shit involving Brandi Rhodes. Smash all the, “symbolic,” thrones you want to try and pretend you’re something different, but this reeks of Stephanie McMahon. Doing her own shitty thing that completely contradicts and undermines what her husband is doing, with bad dialogue delivered to silence, completely ripping off the Straight Edge Society and talking down to everyone, this was a hodgepodge of everything people would complain about on WWE television. It also doesn’t help that there now seems to be three separate dark, E-fed-style cult-like factions. Get some agents and a bit of quality control, for fuck’s sake.

I think that's easily the worst thing they've put on TV so far. Horrendous stuff.

Not sure I'm down with another "upset" win in the women's division. There is one on every single show. To the point that none of them are upsets now. It's just slightly different 50/50 booking. They're trying to make too many people at the same time. I can see why when you read some of the ridiculous criticisms online but stop fucking reading stuff. Just do what you need to do. Establish a handful of stars and slowly drip feed new stars into the mix as you go and not by constantly beating the people you need to draw.

The exception to that is Jericho whose work to try and make these young guys matter is exceptional and selfless. He's the best worker in the business by a mile.

They need to spread the promo time. It's always Cody and Jericho. They're both great but don't overexpose them. I do really like Cody having his eyes solely on MJF, while MJF blows him off, and other people are after Cody to make a name for themselves. Nice way of constantly side-stepping the Cody-MJF match until it really sells.

Action was good all over. Agree with Supremo generally. A few stumbles weekly at the moment though is not good.

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So they reveal that MJF paid off the Butcher and the Blade to attack Cody, linking up the muddled bollocks of last week and actually making the storyline make sense...but chose to only put the promo out on Twitter, not on the TV show itself.

Fucking hell.

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On 12/4/2019 at 4:28 PM, The Dart said:

Funny that people have spent the last 2 decades moaning that WWE have too many PPVs and should go back to having 4 like they did when they were a kid and now AEW are doing that, people are moaning that AEW aren't doing enough PPVs and and the TV shows aren't building to anything.  Almost like wrestling fans are really hard to please and moan about everything.

Hard to please? Where has that idea come from. 8-12 seem decent enough for me, I got into wrestling in the attitude era so used to around 12, more does get a little bit too much i'd agree. I don't think it has to be directionless but when 2 or 3 weeks go by with nothing but week to week build or even less it does seem directionless and gives me personally no motivation to tune in for the next installment. Loose example but I used to like the 2003 format when WWE started single branded PPV's and on the week of the other brand having a PPV the other show would usually have a few bigger matches pencilled for their TV show that week. Smackdown had some wonderful cage matches and the Angle/ Lesnar iron man match in those slots IIRC. 

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There's absolutely no reason, in an age of wrestling where the weekly TV shows aren't built around squash matches, for there to be any more than about 6 PPVs a year. 12 is ludicrous and it was always has been, whether it happened during the Attitude Era or not.

I don't really care for AEW at all but their model is absolutely correct, especially as they are still in the process of building storylines and characters. The repetition that we see in WWE where PPV matches are usually just retreads of Raw or Smackdown matches, or Raw or Smackdown matches are retreads of PPV matches, is undoubtedly a reason why there's a huge malaise in WWE. The so-called quality of matches you get on an average TV show wouldn't be out of place on at least a B-level PPV. Aside from Wrestlemania and Royal Rumble, WWE PPVs mean nothing these days. They're just another show. What's the point of having so many?

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Enjoyed the show last night, another easy watch. They could do with expanding the roster more and poaching the best from ROH and Impact. Both companies are in the shitter but have a few guys who could make a difference to AEW

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