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For me at least, there’s still far too little promo/story content. Eric Bischoff, on the most recent 83 Weeks said that what sets AEW apart is the unscripted promos, not the matches and I tend to agree with that. There’s plenty of good wrestling on WWE programming so I don’t need AEW for that, and the consequences of the AEW matches rarely seem significant enough for me to care about the outcome. 

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50/50 booking and a shit womens division wasnt what was promised at the start of this venture. Man for man/woman for woman, NXT probably has the better roster as well. Take Jericho out of AEW, and who else is there on his level? I like Cody's character, but he doesnt dominate the show like Jericho has the ability to do. They really should have spent that 8 months looking for talent, rather than looking for their best friends Grandad's mate from the pub who wants a job.

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Saw an interview with Jon Moxley yesterday and he was stating 'We have nobody to answer to in AEW - we can do pretty much what we want'.
Yeah, I'm not so sure that's a good thing to be honest.

He also did the 'we are an alternative to WWE' bit.
Honestly, I find myself going 'In what way is AEW alternative!?'

Edited by Snitsky's back acne

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14 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

50/50 booking and a shit womens division wasnt what was promised at the start of this venture. Man for man/woman for woman, NXT probably has the better roster as well. Take Jericho out of AEW, and who else is there on his level? I like Cody's character, but he doesnt dominate the show like Jericho has the ability to do. They really should have spent that 8 months looking for talent, rather than looking for their best friends Grandad's mate from the pub who wants a job.

There's no way lack of talent is any excuse. Jericho, Cody and Moxley are superstars. Pentagon, Fenix, Omega, Page, Pac, etc are great talents. They've got plenty to work with.

We can all see the women's division is useless. Agree about the 50/50 booking. Having everyone wrestle every week makes a mockery of their win/loss records too. there's just no way to keep it fresh if you're doing that. It's not unsurprising though. People jumped on the "sports" thing - and fair enough, they were stupid enough to say it - but anyone who expected it not to be just good old pro-wrestling was just setting themselves up to take a jab.

I think they've got better and better at mixing the matches with promos and segment. Last week was a poor one though, it felt like a WWE show and that's not a compliment.

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49 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

50/50 booking and a shit womens division wasnt what was promised at the start of this venture. Man for man/woman for woman, NXT probably has the better roster as well. Take Jericho out of AEW, and who else is there on his level? I like Cody's character, but he doesnt dominate the show like Jericho has the ability to do. They really should have spent that 8 months looking for talent, rather than looking for their best friends Grandad's mate from the pub who wants a job.

While I completely agree with @tiger_rick that the lack of talent is absolutely not an issue, I would say there's a truth to them not spending enough time looking for talent.

The most exciting thing from the first press conference, for me, was the announcement that they would be partnered with OWE and AAA, and having PAC show up with a Dragon Gate belt. It all pointed to them working with other promotions, and a broad range of talent, that put me in mind of WCW bringing in cruiserweights from Japan and Mexico at a time when the US audience had never really seen that. That, coupled with a lot of the hype around them poaching WWE talent, created an idea of AEW as a place where absolutely anybody could show up, and you'd get a real diverse range of styles.

Instead, the AAA partnership amounted to one tag title match, then never being mentioned again, never having AAA talent appear on AEW TV (despite AEW talent working AAA shows), and the OWE partnership meant we got CIMA and sometimes T-Hawk, but none of the cool exciting new trainees. The Dragon Gate thing amounted to nothing. The WWE names ended up being, after the initial excitement of Jon Moxley, just Jake Hager, who's yet to even wrestle.

I think they've done well to manage expectations and not have people thinking that Randy Orton might jump ship or anything like that, but it does feel like we just see the same people every week. And not just at the main event level where you'd expect that, but it feels like we're seeing the same select few midcarders wrestle all the time, with not enough mixing it up, and definitely not enough promos.

Even with the shit women's division, I'd say the problem is almost entirely booking - and, again, that lack of diverse talent. When they did the Women's Battle Royal, they brought in Jazz and Mercedes Martinez, they had representation from Mexico, and a range of indie wrestlers we've not seen since, whereas on TV we get to see Britt Baker every week. They teased an Awesome Kong vs. Aja Kong match, and then never mentioned it again. I don't think you can call a women's division that has talent like Emi Sakura, Awesome Kong, Kris Stadtlander, Hikaru Shida and Shanna in it, and where even the worst of the regularly featured lot aren't as bad as the worst on NXT, but the complete lack of direction kills it.

 

1 hour ago, WyattSheepMask said:

You should see my twitter feed. Apparently “viewership doesn’t matter” so long as you do better in the 18-49. It’s amazing how much people have learned about viewing demographics in the last 9 weeks. One guy even told me that the numbers were wrong, but stopped short of telling if that had been a 2 week phenomena or if the 7 previous weeks were wrong also

Most of this logic has been people parroting Meltzer, without actually having understood what he said. It's not that viewership doesn't matter, but that ratings aren't the only - and in many ways, not the most important - metric. If the advertisers that are running commercials on AEW programming are wanting to appeal to the 18-49 demographic, then AEW "winning" in that key area is still significant, as it means the network are likely to be happy with the amount of money they're bringing in, which means they're likely to continue to be well supported by TNT, which bodes well for them in the long-term.

It's only the gibbering fanboys that have managed to turn that into "the numbers don't matter, AEW are winning even when they're not", but at the same time, absolute numbers don't tell the whole story if people are trying to frame this as a "war".

 

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They aren't totally wrong in that it's the 18-49 demo that is important but that usually relates to shows on Broadcast TV (CBS, FOX, NBC, ABC, CW)

Where a show getting a 1.0 in the demo and having 9 million viewers would be in almost all daily ratings chart listed as having lost to a show that had a 1.5 in the demo but only 4 Million viewers

And In renewing a show, the show averaging 1.3 and 3 million would be more likely to be renewed then a show averaging 0.9 but 5 million viewers

In terms of wrestling though I dont think it's as Important a metric and Viewers has allways been what has seen to be more important (to the fans at least, backstage who knows)

Nxt will be beating AEW in both anyway if not this week then next if this trends continues and then there can be no arguments

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3 minutes ago, MVP RULZ said:

In terms of wrestling though I dont think it's as Important a metric and Viewers has allways been what has seen to be more important (to the fans at least, backstage who knows)

It is because that's what TNT are spending their money for. TV is a dying medium and they want programmes that attract younger viewers to watch TV live. That demographic is (and always has been) most important to advertisers because they tend to have the most disposable income.

Personally, I just hope both do well enough to keep on the air and keep producing the shows. The whole war thing is what it is. Too much excitment when AEW won by a nipple. Too much now NXT has won twice. Just enjoy it.

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for all the talk of win loss records and doing things differently to WWE most of the records are surprisingly even. it's almost as if they're doing EXACTLY what WWE does.

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1 hour ago, tiger_rick said:

Too much excitment when AEW won by a nipple.

Too much excitement from wrestling fans anywhere a nipple is involved.

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I doubt he’s desperate for people to forget a tweet, considering it probably was a kayfabe/character promotional thing rather than anything of actual substance. Wrestlers post shit like that all the, it doesn’t matter. 
 

If I remember correctly he got owned at the time by Dijakovic anyway

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I've sort of lost a bit or interest in recent weeks too. They've done an appalling job of establishing characters worth investing in, bar 3 or maybe 4. Jericho and Cody are usually always good value but I can't be arsed sitting through overly long matches featuring some dudes because dodgy rankings or something. Rankings could work but, like most of their roster, they've done a terrible job selling the soap.

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I ended up falling behind as I went to Manchester for the WWE tapings and forgot that Full Gear was on. For some reason I just haven't had the spirit to catch up and I do think it is down to the already emerging repetitive shows that others have mentioned. I feel like I've seen 100 Private Party matches already.

It is a shame, as with its WCW look I was hoping we'd get a return to a more slower paced style and storytelling, but I'm guessing that the market these days continues to be for fast spotfests.

I am missing not seeing Chris Jericho though. What a blast he has been.

And on a side note, Survivor Series has been successful in terms of me wanting to see more of Keith Lee. Great booking by WWE.

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On 11/4/2019 at 7:54 PM, LEGIT said:

I'd pump her. 

Edit: nah just googled her, changed ma mind, dunno whit that tattoo is all about

Teddy Hart is pumping her.

So that's her career over.

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