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5 hours ago, Carbomb said:

The Taka/HHH match is a funny one. I think we all remember it because it was more about the angle of Triple H as an arrogant heel champ thinking he was being clever by doing his mandatory title defence against a comedy jobber and almost getting his comeuppance. Plus, it was so out of the blue - all of a sudden we got this shock of seeing Taka look like he was threatening to beat a red-hot Triple H for the WWE championship. But that match was pretty much the climax of the mini-arc it was supposed to be; I don't think it could've gone much further than it did, if at all.

For me, that's actually a good example of something that I always liked: mini-storylines, self-contained within a show or a couple of shows, especially when it involves midcarders - gives them more of a purpose than simply being higher-level talent enhancement, and adds a bit more texture to a show in general.

I agree with this, but I was more talking about how Taka didn’t really benefit from it after the fact. Kaientai were in the same comedy job spot they were before.

For me, a better example of one of those angles would be Santino nearly winning the belt in the Elimination Chamber in 2012. It added to Daniel Bryan’s arrogant heel persona, it gave Bryan the opportunity to be a vicious little prick (his title reign to that point had been him running away from Big Show and Mark Henry), and it elevated Santino for a bit. He got on the WrestleMania card a few weeks later, and won the US title around the same time.

But I have way fonder memories of the Triple H/Taka one. I didn’t even remember the Santino thing until just now.

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5 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

I agree with this, but I was more talking about how Taka didn’t really benefit from it after the fact. Kaientai were in the same comedy job spot they were before.

Oh, absolutely. What I meant to convey (and did a poor job of) was that I think that was always the plan, though - I get the impression, from how they booked Taka overall before as well as after that they never really planned to do much with him in general, however well he might have done, and I think a big part of that was simply his size. Not in a "push the cruisers" rage way, but simply Taka was quite a small guy, and looked it. Possibly one of the reasons why the match shocked too - Triple H just dwarfed him.

5 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

For me, a better example of one of those angles would be Santino nearly winning the belt in the Elimination Chamber in 2012. It added to Daniel Bryan’s arrogant heel persona, it gave Bryan the opportunity to be a vicious little prick (his title reign to that point had been him running away from Big Show and Mark Henry), and it elevated Santino for a bit. He got on the WrestleMania card a few weeks later, and won the US title around the same time.

But I have way fonder memories of the Triple H/Taka one. I didn’t even remember the Santino thing until just now.

They did some good stuff with Santino, didn't they? I always remember him nicking Lawler's sandwich, his "Tom Hanks with the AIDS" feud with Austin, and, similar to what you've mentioned there, how he almost won the Rumble - the crowd were mental for that.

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6 hours ago, The King of Old School said:

I can't imagine anyone would be too upset if they didn't see Joey Janela on Dynamite again.

Maybe Joey Janela

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Dark is such a fun show.

TH2 get a lot of shit but imo they are perfectly fine as a mid card heel team. Really enjoyed Jack Evans Vs. Kenny Omega.

The Kong/Brandi pairing is growing on me. Surely their antics have to lead up to a hair match?

Spears is a pretty decent commentator.

 

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I thought that about Spears too.

Related to people talking about main eventers having matches that bring undercard opponents up to their level, I think that’s hit upon my main issue with Kenny Omega in AEW: he does that too much. He gives his opponents way more than they should be getting if he’s supposed to be a top star, and it doesn’t bring them up to his level because, in AEW, his level hasn’t been established well enough yet. He’s in a YouTube match with Jack Evans, and Evans is getting half the offence and kicking out of most of Kenny’s moves. He should have bulldozed him in 5 minutes. Jericho vs Sky has absolutely the right dynamic, but if it was Omega in Jericho’s position, it’d feel more like two Takas than Taka vs HHH.

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All this talk comparing Sky to Taka baffles me. I actually would equate Sky vs Jericho way more to HHH vs Jericho when Jericho won the title and it was later reversed. 

Taka was a jobber his entire career, Sky has been pushed a decent amount and has looked a million dollars IMO. Him standing in for Daniels in street clothes was one of my favourite moments in wrestling this year.

I actually wouldn't be against the idea of them ripping off the finish of Jericho v HHH of having Sky win for it to be reversed later in the same show.

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What did we think about the big angles on the show?

I think the opening seg with Jericho's celebration could have (maybe would have) been awful but Jericho is just so bloody entertaining. His Dad popping put to go all Pete Rose was brilliant. Jericho slapping Justin Roberts will have pleased some. Live crowd seemed to enjoy some of the gags. In other hands, this could have been a car crash, we've seen that 100 times over the years, but worked here for me purely because it they're such great douchebags. Loved the heat for Sammy too. Virgil was dreadful. Shock, eh?

The Cody angle went down shit and I blame the commentary 100%. JR not knowing who the fuck the attackers are while Excalibur acts like everyone knows who they are made for the most cringeworthy atmosphere. Liked the look of the two guys. Particularly the "Butcher" who had a great old school look.

Elsewherw, particularly liked Moxley's promo work and the closing shot, MJF being a twat again, Dustin powerslamming people, Pac vs. Kenny and Scorpio's near fall on Jericho.

Women's match was meh again. No surprise. 

Hated, hated, hated Lucha Brothers losing. It's shit. Stop it. No one cares about rankings. Just put them over.

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I thought the opening segment was another home run for Jericho. In any other company and hosted by any other wrestler that would’ve died on its arse and been filled with shit jokes that got no reaction. Once again though Chris proves what a great mind he’s got for the business, with genuinely funny moments and big pops from the crowd. I particularly loved the life-size cardboard cut-out of him and Sammy. The rub he’s given that whole crew has been great so far.

That’s not to say the opening segment was without fault though. For the second or third straight time Christopher Daniels has somehow managed to not make an unmasking angle really work. They should be sure fire hits every time. I don’t understand how he keeps making them so wonky and awkward. I also could have done without AEW’s continued torturing of terrified animals on live TV, too. They clearly learned nothing from Cody’s poor dog.

The Cody angle was terrible. At the very least those guys should’ve had a vignette or two before debuting, I’m still none the wiser as to who they are.

MJF is the best.

Trent over the Lucha Bros? What the fuck?

Credit where it’s due. These new Scientology vignettes have saved the Dark Order’s act. It still feels super novel to have a company willing to listen and adapt.

"Freddie Mercury never looked so oriental... *panic*...asian...*panic*....female." - Jim Ross, with the touching Jim Cornette tribute. 

Fun main event. One or two of those false finishes completely got me. It made me wonder if they’d ever consider ripping off that brilliant angle when Jericho won the Title from Triple H on Raw for an hour or so. Loved that angle and I don’t think anyone has ever tried to repeat it. That and Bret Hart’s metal plate under his T-shirt to counter the spear. The two best angles that I can never believe people haven’t tried to copy.

But yeah, story of this show was what a superstar Moxley is. Even though I hated the Omega match it’s clearly added to his aura because he feels like the coolest, hottest thing going. I’m genuinely chuffed for the lad. Twelve months ago he was a knob head germaphobe without a prayer. Good for him.
 

Edited by Supremo

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That fucking goat. They clearly thought the pyro was the issue last time. Presume Hager missed the angle with Dustin and the Bucks because he was out back milking it or something. 

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1 hour ago, Supremo said:

"Freddie Mercury never looked so oriental... *panic*...asian...*panic*....female." - Jim Ross, with the touching Jim Cornette tribute. 
 

At least he's finally realised it's a Freddie Mercury tribute instead of saying, "WHAT'S WITH THE MOUSTACHE?" over and over.

I'm not overly fussed about Butcher and the Blade as a team, but Andy Williams is an absolute hero, superb look, believable style, and a lot of fun to watch, he was one of my stand-outs of the Wrestlemania weekend indie shows this year, even if he does just look like someone pumped Dick Strawbridge full of super-serum. 

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AEW for Everyone* *except animals.

Seriously, as has been said, they need to quit using live animals and I hope the AEW die hards give them stick for it like they would had WWE done it.

I had no clue who the new guys were. Ive seen a few 'well clearly you dont watch the indy scene' snob posts from a few on Twitter but, seriously, were we expected to know!?

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4 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

Seriously, as has been said, they need to quit using live animals and I hope the AEW die hards give them stick for it like they would had WWE done it.

When did WWE last use animals? Can't think. Wonder what the reaction would have been if Social Media had been around back in the day? The snakes, the parrot, the bulldogs. Was there a dragon (iguana) at one point?

4 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

I had no clue who the new guys were. Ive seen a few 'well clearly you dont watch the indy scene' snob posts from a few on Twitter but, seriously, were we expected to know!?

I don't think we were. I think Excalibur being a fucking know all completely confused the issue.

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6 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

When did WWE last use animals? Can't think. Wonder what the reaction would have been if Social Media had been around back in the day? The snakes, the parrot, the bulldogs. Was there a dragon (iguana) at one point?

Steamboat was carrying about a tiny dragon in WCW for a bit. 

As for WWE, I know they had plans to use a horse for Taker at Mania one year but they opted not to because during the run through they decided it was too risky with the pyro and the crowd. Probably wise. I think he had a horse drawn carriage at the Rumble one year (maybe 06?) Before that, fuck, maybe WM 9? 

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