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4 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

I'm not the biggest JR critic but once he started telling people they could call the moves whatever they want, and he couldn't tell the difference between steel and concrete, I gave up on him.

The low point on commentary for me was one of them going “HE GOT A BICYCLE!” when Spears did a bicycle kick, and the other two not reacting to it.

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Looking around I'm surprised at how little backlash Jim Ross has got. I thought he was completely rotten for the majority of the show. I get that his voice still carries a lot of weight but what good is that when he spends his time shitting all over the product. Wheel him out for the Cody matches only.

Justin Roberts is utter death. He sounds like such a prick and doesn't suit these shows at all.

Cracking show mind.

 

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25 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

I'm not the biggest JR critic but once he started telling people they could call the moves whatever they want, and he couldn't tell the difference between steel and concrete, I gave up on him.

I only noticed this twice, but it was when they referenced the Ace Crusher and the Stunner - I assumed they were under orders not to call things by names associated with WWE big-names.

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1 hour ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

Apparently Meltzer has said that Cody / Spears was better than Walter / Bate.
He's not even trying to pretend he's not on AEW's payroll anymore then I guess?

Yawn....

Apparently?  He either has or he hasn't?  If you were a subscriber you would know the answer, if you're not, why do you care?

Isn't wrestling subjective anyway?  One man's 'five star match' is another man's dud.  So what if he preferred the Cody/Spears match?  Is he not allowed that opinion because it differs from what others think?   

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3 minutes ago, Magnum Milano said:

Yawn....

Apparently?  He either has or he hasn't?  If you were a subscriber you would know the answer, if you're not, why do you care?

Isn't wrestling subjective anyway?  One man's 'five star match' is another man's dud.  So what if he preferred the Cody/Spears match?  Is he not allowed that opinion because it differs from what others think?   

Whoa, chill your beans mate.
It was only meant to be a bit of [admittedly crappy] banter.
Relax!

I wasn't aware someone had to be a subscriber to Meltzer's newsletter to care about his opinions however.
Every day's a school day I suppose. 

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I've not got round to watching anything other than the Buy In show (busy weekend) but from what I've read it was enjoyable and im looking forward to checking it out. The thing that stood out for me during the Buy In show is that they still haven't managed to work out the timing correctly for the battle royale. You've got eliminations taking place while the next group of women are being introduced which loses the impact of the elimination and then on the other end of the spectrum Earl Hebner was seen verbally hurrying two of the wrestlers up so that they could bring in the next set of ladies moments after the music had already started. 

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  • They need to drop the Casino Battle Royal gimmick. Pre-shows shouldn't start with me feeling like I need to grab a notepad to jot down everything the ring announcer is saying. Very little drama, as individual entrants don't get enough of a "holy shit, it's them" reaction. The first one made a bit of sense as they were gimmicking it up to fit the Vegas theme, but why do it in Chicago? This match was worse than the men's one on the first show, because it was so unstructured, with so little focus on what individual women were doing - the biggest eliminations, and big staredown moments, just felt like they happened at random, poorly paced and poorly shot. Bea Priestley waiting around on the ring apron to get eliminated by Britt Baker was embarrassing. Mercedes Martinez is superb, and I hope they keep her around.
     
  • Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy are the breakout stars of this promotion. The pop when 'Saurus tagged in, and his first flurry of offence, was superb - it's such genuine fan adoration, too, it doesn't feel like being trying to be cool, they just love their act. I think they could do without Marko Stunt being part of the act, but the way they basically used him as a weapon in this match was fine. As long as Stunt isn't getting a ton of offence in, there's a spot for him, but he should be a Spike Dudley, not a Rey Mysterio.
     
  • PAC vs. Omega was, nasty dives into the guardrail aside, superb. Fantastic to have PAC on the show, as thus far too much of AEW has been wrestlers the audience will cheer because they're cool indie guys, so it's good to have another proper irredeemably shithouse of a heel around. Loved the finish - made PAC look like a killer, but also raised questions about Omega. They seem to be going with an angle where his usual routine - a string of big moves to set up a well-protected finish - isn't working for him, and he's going to have to change up his gameplan. If that's the "sports-based presentation" they're talking about, I can get behind that.
     
  • Loved the Cracker Barrel Crash, even though it probably wasn't "good" by most measures, it was just good bonkers fun. I know he's not well liked around here, but I love Jimmy Havoc managing to go almost the entire match without taking a single bump while the other two are killing themselves. What a pro.
     
  • Ladder match was too much. I'm burned out on those teams against each other, it wasn't half as good as their Triplemania match, and it just brought out the worst excesses in everyone involved. Some creative and insane spots, but so few of them mattered, because you were just waiting for the next one. It was always going to be that, though.
     
  • Cody vs Spears was a typical Big Cody Rhodes Match. Tully was great value for money, and MJF made sense given the story to be Cody's cornerman, though Cody's going to look early '90s Sting levels of gullible when MJF eventually turns on him - which I was expecting in this match, which made it hard to get invested at times as it felt like, "this can't be the finish, something else has to happen". When MJF eventually turns, it'll be another weird step in the Cody Rhodes heel/face dynamic - one of the most obvious heels on the roster will have to visibly turn heel, on a guy who already had Shawn Spears turn heel on him moments after a match in which he worked heel. 
    Cody's strengths lie in this kind of story-heavy match, but it still felt like it was lacking, and trying too hard to be an epic story - they still suffer a little from doing too much "Tell, Don't Show"; Shawn Spears turned on Cody on the second show, so they're having to cobble together backstory by having the announcers tell us at great length that they've been best friends for 13 years or whatever. But the audience have never seen them be best friends, so it's difficult to buy into. They do the same thing with Britt Baker and Bea Priestley as "hated rivals" - just telling us they are every five minutes isn't going to make it so.
     
  • Main event was fine. Largely very back-to-basics and simplistic, which it probably needed to be. I'm starting to warm to Hangman Page as a Magnum TA cowboy babyface, but it didn't feel like he delivered at that level here. His promo in the build was fantastic old-school face work, and Jericho getting his eye busted up to call back to that injury was a nice touch. Jericho was the right choice to win, but it's all about how they book Page from here to get him back to this point, but as a more viable contender. That will be the first real test of AEW's ability to make stars, and tell stories.

    And, fucking hell, I joke about the Judas Effect all the time, but the mad bastard has got it over. First person to kick out of that is going to be a made man.

 

 

EDIT: Another couple of thoughts on the women's battle royal - Teal Piper has absolutely no business being in the right now, you can tell she's barely started training. 
If Brandi Rhodes is able to eliminate some of the biggest threats in the match by herself, why does she need Awesome Kong as her back-up? Is she a cowardly heel who hides behind her bodyguard, or a noble babyface standing beside her husband, or a competent wrestler in her own right? She basically didn't interact with Kong in the match at all.

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Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus are really becoming big favourites of mine, ‘Saurus was one of Kobra Moon’s tribe in Lucha Underground wasn’t he?

Allin needs to drop that Coffin Drop move quickly, he’s gonna end up doing serious damage to himself in a future match

Never fails to draw a pop from me anytime Double A does a spine buster spot, it’s still the best in the biz

Be interesting to see who else they get in for this tag tournament, big move getting LAX V2 in, been very impressed with the, admittedly little, I’ve seen of them in Impact

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