Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted August 28, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 28, 2019 How is it that they're both liberal and plutocratic? Don't answer that actually. I have zero interest in what you have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Chest Rockwell said: How is it that they're both liberal and plutocratic? Don't answer that actually. I have zero interest in what you have to say. Look up what ''neoliberal'' means, and then maybe read a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted August 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard said: That's not how a democracy works. Stop crying. Enlighten me. How does a democracy work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Quote Look up what ''neoliberal'' means, and then maybe read a book. What a non answer. 'read a book' is also a shit response. Read what book? Lucky Jim? Neoliberals For Dummies? Chris Moyles autobiography? Also 'neoliberal' is now a term thrown around mainly by people who don't know what it means but 'read a book' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, BomberPat said: Enlighten me. How does a democracy work? I know how ''democracy'' has worked since the referendum, and that is that the entire system has worked to promote the most chaotic atmosphere possible in order to undermine and undercut 17 million people. This was all planned from the beginning, it's the UK's own version of the Muller investigation, in that it's completely exhausted people to the point where no-one want's to deal with it anymore. And judging from the polls, the British people would vote to stay in the EU given a second Brexit. And that is exactly how ''democracy'' manifests. When the public vote the incorrect way, they are punished entirely by the system, and are trained in the most Pavlovian of ways to never make that mistake again. That is democracy. And that's why even if Boris can pull off some kind of Brexit, it will be very much submerged in the same neoliberal goo that it always has been, and all the concerns Brexiters had will be ignored never to be heard of again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Factotum said: What a non answer. 'read a book' is also a shit response. Read what book? Lucky Jim? Neoliberals For Dummies? Chris Moyles autobiography? Also 'neoliberal' is now a term thrown around mainly by people who don't know what it means but 'read a book' I have a handful of books I can recommend, it's not my fault he made a twat out of himself and didn't know what the word meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted August 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Richard said: I know how ''democracy'' has worked since the referendum, and that is that the entire system has worked to promote the most chaotic atmosphere possible in order to undermine and undercut 17 million people. This was all planned from the beginning, it's the UK's own version of the Muller investigation, in that it's completely exhausted people to the point where no-one want's to deal with it anymore. And judging from the polls, the British people would vote to stay in the EU given a second Brexit. And that is exactly how ''democracy'' manifests. When the public vote the incorrect way, they are punished entirely by the system, and are trained in the most Pavlovian of ways to never make that mistake again. That is democracy. And that's why even if Boris can pull off some kind of Brexit, it will be very much submerged in the same neoliberal goo that it always has been, and all the concerns Brexiters had will be ignored never to be heard of again. And what are those concerns? Can you speak for the "concerns" of 17 million people, all voting for their own, individual reasons? Do you not think that the reason that "the system" has been chaotic since the referendum is because trying to produce a Brexit that is all things to all men is absolutely impossible, that it's pitting conflicting interest groups against each other, and that it's constitutionally, politically and administratively, one of the most extraordinarily complex situations a country could possibly place themselves in, and that reducing it to a simple binary choice is reductionist to the point of absurdity? And if you take away your scare quotes from democracy, given that your point on polls showing that Britain would vote to Remain if a referendum were held again, it's clear that your point isn't about the public being punished in some oblique way you can't specify for voting the "wrong" way, it's that you're pissed off that, in the case of another referendum, they might vote the way you don't like. The notion that a second referendum would be undemocratic is preposterous. If a first referendum was democratic, it doesn't become less democratic by adding more democracy on top of it. Democracy doesn't begin and end at the ballot box. Democracy isn't a zero sum game of "we won, you lost, get over it", it is a constant living process of negotiation, of representation, of protest. The idea that you, or anyone, can suggest that, "people voted for one outcome, under one set of circumstances, and on one date, so our entire political system should now be dedicated to delivering one interpretation of that result, with neither the public or their elected officials having any further say" is preposterous and profoundly undemocratic. Edited August 28, 2019 by BomberPat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Fucks sake Pat, read a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted August 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, Richard said: I have a handful of books I can recommend, it's not my fault he made a twat out of himself and didn't know what the word meant. Here's one for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongStyle Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Richard said: I still don't see Brexit happening at all, because it doesn't make sense that they would send May out there all that time to filibuster if they were just going to give up and let Boris do the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I think this is the plan. Parliamentary session ends before  the opposition can bring down the government. Boris strikes a deal with EU, presents it to new Parliament with days to go.  They can either vote the deal through or accept No Deal. Parliament bends the knee, a deal is ratified, Boris calls an election and is returned by a grateful nation to rule a thousand years. ... Now it's a cunning plan but there are just a FEW places it could go wrong...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfoote Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Close Loki. Boris's Great Plan 1. Continue to present myself as a bumbling idiot to the populace (put feet on table) 2. Throw money at services, NHS, police 3. Ask Queenie to prorogue (she can't refuse) 4. Back the EU into a corner re: Ireland and the backstop 5. Go trick or treating 6. Eat all the chocolate then call an election November 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted August 28, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted August 28, 2019 So are John Major and Rory Stewart taking Boris to court as promised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Richard said: Look up what ''neoliberal'' means, and then maybe read a book. I laughed at this for at least a good 20 minutes today on the train. “Read a book”. Fucking hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Double post wanker Edited August 28, 2019 by SuperBacon Double post wankers are marginally worse than Tories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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