Keith Houchen Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said: I don't disagree with you - as I have repeatedly said, it is not a one size fits all issue - what works for one person will not work for others. My overall point is that we try something other than just de-platforming - and we both agree that it can work in some instances.   No platforming stops recruitment and is for the leaders and higher ups.  Your regular jihadist or nazi doesn't have the platform to begin with but a lot of them wouldn't need de-radicalising if the aforementioned leaders weren't afforded the platform.  That's how I see it.  And we're on about two different things, no platforming doesn't change the minds of those no platformed, it stops the mind being changed for potential recruits.  When I say no platforming works, I don't mean a nazi stops being a nazi because of it, it stops a disillusioned person becoming one.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: No platforming stops recruitment and is for the leaders and higher ups. Â Your regular jihadist or nazi doesn't have the platform to begin with but a lot of them wouldn't need de-radicalising if the aforementioned leaders weren't afforded the platform. Â That's how I see it. Â And we're on about two different things, no platforming doesn't change the minds of those no platformed, it stops the mind being changed for potential recruits. Â When I say no platforming works, I don't mean a nazi stops being a nazi because of it, it stops a disillusioned person becoming one. Â I agree with you on that and can see that kind of thing would be incredibly beneficial. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polish Dad Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 You can also debate ideas without having to give a platform to people. We can talk about how trans people are valid without giving Graham Linehan ten minutes to talk about how much he hates them. We can talk about how immigration benefits the country without giving Farage et al the credibility of being presented as the opposite side of a legitimate debate, as opposed to the bad faith grifter he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted May 30, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) If you remember the rinsing that Nick Griffin got on Question Time, when his views were challenged and he was debated, it's also worth remembering that the BNP saw a spike in membership afterwards. Giving someone a platform to espouse hatred in the name of 'debate' doesn't often work. Or, more accurately, just because something CAN work doesn't mean it WILL work. Edited May 30, 2019 by Chris B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted May 30, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted May 30, 2019 16 hours ago, Snitsky's back acne said: Right - so give him the platform. Expose him as an idiot. Fight bigotry and lies with facts and logic. Can't do that if he isn't allowed to speak in the first place.  That worked out well when journalists were working around the clock to expose Donald Trump's lies during the 2016 election campaign, didn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 hours ago, BomberPat said: That worked out well when journalists were working around the clock to expose Donald Trump's lies during the 2016 election campaign, didn't it? I have said countless times already that it is not a scenario that works in all situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PowerButchi Posted May 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2019 I just find it hilarious that MR WOMEN NO LIMITS (but I don't fancy them) is the one who's playing a mare in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 7 hours ago, PowerButchi said: I just find it hilarious that MR WOMEN NO LIMITS (but I don't fancy them) is the one who's playing a mare in this thread. You find strange things hilarious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted June 3, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted June 3, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48492619 Band gets booked for Glastonbury. Sunday Times 'reveals' that one of their songs is called Kill Tory Scum and outright calls for the murder of all Tories. Glastonbury cancels booking. Now, obviously I have no problem with this, but where's the right-wing outrage from the free speech is supreme brigade? What's the difference between this and cancelling/not booking racists/idiots from talking at a university or a British Medical Association panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I can’t think why media outlets aren’t calling the song by its full title of Kill Tory Scum (Before They Kill You). It’s almost as if it doesn’t fit the narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members stumobir Posted June 3, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted June 3, 2019 Personally, I’m pleased the media are finally taking a zero tolerance approach to this kind of incitment of violence. They had to go after them, after the scolding Farage got for his “pick up a rifle and head for the front lines” comment. Wait a minute.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 10:15 AM, JNLister said: Now, obviously I have no problem with this, but where's the right-wing outrage from the free speech is supreme brigade? Worth quoting this again regarding Jo Brand. Â For those who don't know, she said on Bae Vicky C's new Radio 4 show "Heresy" which is about what you can and can't say, "Why bother with a milkshake when you can get some battery acid". Â Poor old snowflake in chief, Nigel "I'll don khaki and pick up a rifle if Brexit isn't delivered" Farage is deeply offended by her comments saying it's incitement to violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted June 14, 2019 Author Paid Members Share Posted June 14, 2019 Coming only a matter of, what, a week, after defending Anne Widdecombe's "freedom of speech" for defending gay conversion therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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