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5 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

I believe it was from Gangrel/Matt Hardy. Have never seen it but there was apparently an angle on Heat when The Brood gave the Hardys a blood bath so it may be from that.
I remember not noticing it until after Owen had died however. 

The match was The Hardy Boyz vs. Blue Meanie/Goldust.

There's a bit after the match where The Hardyz & Michael Hayes are covered in Brood Blood outside the ring and Matt Hardy puts him arm on the apron and the "blood" ends up all over the ring and yeh it just so happens that's exactly where Owen landed.

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I havent watched WWE in years now but I'm not sure how anyone could continue to give them money after watching this show. 

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@WyattSheepMask Yeah, and we all know nobody can ever celebrate Owen’s career unless there’s a meaningless HOF induction from the company that sued his widow, with camera cuts to Big Show and Bruce Prichard crying and people shouting ‘THANKYOU OW-EN’ throughout Bret’s speech. We can’t watch Owen vs 123 Kid from 1994 until all that happens, obviously. 

I don’t get why some twats seem to really resent Martha for not wanting anything to do with it. First off, what difference would it even make to them whether he went in the HOF or not? They can still enjoy/relive his matches, he’s not in danger of his memory being forgotten and he’s talked about and celebrated every time anyone is asked about him. If his wife and kids don’t want it, they’re the ones that matter. The uncaring, matter of fact way Vince talked about it in that clip Ian posted, for that alone, I totally see why Martha doesn’t want anything to do with them. 

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I think part of it is that Bret came back. If his brother can forgive WWE, go into the HoF and make appearances, why won't his grieving widow? 

 

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2 minutes ago, Grecian said:

I think part of it is that Bret came back. If his brother can forgive WWE, go into the HoF and make appearances, why won't his grieving widow? 

 

It’s ridiculous isn’t it? The logic of it. A wrestler being tricked to lose a fake fight so he can go and make $3 million a year somewhere else is on the same level as a man being dropped from the roof to his death and his family having to go on without him. Just get over it, Martha. Forgive and forget. We need to chant ‘YOU DESERVE IT’ at the HOF. 

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I did love the unintentional juxtaposition of Owen's family deriding the HOF as utterly worthless, and JR introducing himself, not as former commentator for the WWF, but by reeling off a list of all the stupid wrestling Hall of Fames he's a part of. 

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Have to say one part I didn’t like was Cornette’s attempt to cry / show emotion.

Weird guy.

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4 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said:

It’s ridiculous isn’t it? The logic of it. A wrestler being tricked to lose a fake fight so he can go and make $3 million a year somewhere else is on the same level as a man being dropped from the roof to his death and his family having to go on without him. Just get over it, Martha. Forgive and forget. We need to chant ‘YOU DESERVE IT’ at the HOF. 

I think Owen might have been Bret's brother. I'm not sure but I watched the documentary and it hinted at it.

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8 minutes ago, Bellenda Carlisle said:

I think Owen might have been Bret's brother. I'm not sure but I watched the documentary and it hinted at it.

Of course but back before Bret came back to do that DVD in 2005 (I think?), the Montreal thing seemed like just as big a talking point as an obstacle to him coming back as Owen’s death was. Sounds mad but I remember Bret even saying in one of his shoot interviews that he met Vince in some park right before/after Owen’s funeral and grilled Vince on why he screwed him at Survivor Series. Vince was a cunt for going on that Michael Lansberg show after and saying Bret was an emotionless skeleton or whatever but I still found it odd how Bret would still be thinking about Montreal at that point. Not saying he wasn’t devastated about Owen but Montreal was still always a massive part of why he hated the WWF for years wasn’t it?

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37 minutes ago, Yakashi said:

I havent watched WWE in years now but I'm not sure how anyone could continue to give them money after watching this show. 

As difficult as it was to watch, it's not like the majority of us haven't known this stuff since it happened.

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27 minutes ago, Astro Hollywood said:

I did love the unintentional juxtaposition of Owen's family deriding the HOF as utterly worthless, and JR introducing himself, not as former commentator for the WWF, but by reeling off a list of all the stupid wrestling Hall of Fames he's a part of. 

"It was the worst time in my wrestling career. Maybe even my life." - recent widow, James Ross.

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29 minutes ago, Winston said:

Have to say one part I didn’t like was Cornette’s attempt to cry / show emotion.

Weird guy.

Not sure that's totally fair really, Cornette might be horrific arsehole, the worst sort of Bill Maher style right wing pretend liberal but, well, he's never been the unemotional type.

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I thought Vice did a tremendous job letting Martha and her kids say their bit. I suspected it was going for the throat when WWE and their lawyer released that shitty statement a few days ago.

I guess one of the more heartbreaking subplots out of this is a chunk of the Hart family actively being mental and siding against Martha and, effectively, her kids and their brother; if ever you needed a pure example of what sort of pond life inhabits wrestling, then this is it. Anyone got the dirt on the names that were trying to hurt Martha? ( @IANdrewDiceClay is usually the source for Hart family dirt).

It was hard to swallow then and even more so now, but Vince giving it "the human being comes first" on The Undertaker docuseries should forever be sneered at. A thin skinned weirdo with the moral compass of Tom Norman.

I agree there is a lot more meat on the bone for this, so could have easily made it a two part and went into greater detail, as grim as it will be.

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22 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said:

Of course but back before Bret came back to do that DVD in 2005 (I think?), the Montreal thing seemed like just as big a talking point as an obstacle to him coming back as Owen’s death was. Sounds mad but I remember Bret even saying in one of his shoot interviews that he met Vince in some park right before/after Owen’s funeral and grilled Vince on why he screwed him at Survivor Series. Vince was a cunt for going on that Michael Lansberg show after and saying Bret was an emotionless skeleton or whatever but I still found it odd how Bret would still be thinking about Montreal at that point. Not saying he wasn’t devastated about Owen but Montreal was still always a massive part of why he hated the WWF for years wasn’t it?

Wasn't it Vince that told the story about meeting Bret in the park, and Bret just wanting to talk about Survivor Series?

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