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1 hour ago, Onyx2 said:

Very good read and explanation of the psychology of the cinematic event. As I mentioned, it creates an opportunity for more character development. Will we finally have a heel Cena when he next rolls around? The commentary team have a lot to work with in terms of the Fiend gimmick, the manipulation etc. I fear though, these will be opportunities missed! 

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9 hours ago, Onyx2 said:

Reading this now. It’s interesting, Bray saying he had to work for everything and Cena was handed everything. Bray Wyatt as a character isn’t defined by hard work, so it seems like it’s supposed to be a “shoot” reference - but the real life fella was given a job because of his dad, has been primarily used as an upper card talent for the last seven years despite having barely a handful of really good matches, and goes to McDonald’s more than he goes the gym.

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In a weird little shoot thing, on the latest WWF Comp on Youtube (Sep 1993) Vince interviews IRS right at the end and refers to him as "Mr Rotundo" a couple of times before reverting to "Mr Shyster" later on.

I was quite pleased reading that write-up because I'd interpreted it all "correctly". Go me. on board with @King Pitcos though. That line about Bray having to work for everything he has immediately jumped out to me because he's a 2nd Generation wrestler, not a street hoodie.

The whole thing is bollocks anyway if you break it down. Even in the build up, the whole thing centres around the fact Cena didn't put him over at Mania 30. What's that mean to anyone story line wise? It's all horseshit. Cleverly done, of course, and Cena in the nWo shirt was great. If this was a TV show, then it's all in Wyatt's head and so it's fine. This isn't though. This is Cena playing along in a live dream sequence. It's Hogan/Warrior in the mirror level bollocks.

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16 hours ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

WWE always use the worst songs, though. Kevin Dunn's taste is music is fascinating.

I can’t get that weeknd song that was the theme for this years mania out of my head. I like how for the official mania they deviate from the usual generic metal dirge and opt for something catchy and poppy. Peter Gabriel’s big time and one republics love runs out from last year are good examples 

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11 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

If this was a TV show, then it's all in Wyatt's head and so it's fine. This isn't though. This is Cena playing along in a live dream sequence

My interpretation is that the fun house is a place of self reflection but that Bray is the creator and master of it. Cena agreed to enter Bray's creation and therefore he was bound by the rules of the Funhouse and in Brays world he is God. 

I also like to imagine that the actual pin took place in the ring and that everything else was just being projected for Cena to watch. Or you are right and it's wrestlecrap.

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1 hour ago, tiger_rick said:

The whole thing is bollocks anyway if you break it down. Even in the build up, the whole thing centres around the fact Cena didn't put him over at Mania 30. What's that mean to anyone story line wise? It's all horseshit.

That part I don’t find that problematic, because Cena beating Bray and sending him on a downward spiral works if it was a real fight as well. John Cena was so hellbent on squashing new threats to his spot that he got in the way of Bray Wyatt’s Abigail-foretold destiny.

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4 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

That part I don’t find that problematic, because Cena beating Bray and sending him on a downward spiral works if it was a real fight as well. John Cena was so hellbent on squashing new threats to his spot that he got in the way of Bray Wyatt’s Abigail-foretold destiny.

That's not the way they tell it though. Like that Cena promo where he calls him the most "overhyped, overvalued, overprivileged WWE superstar in existence" or something like it. It's insider nonsense. Maybe it works because no-one really cares that much at the moment anyway.

I wonder what the average 9 year old fan made of that "match" at Mania?

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7 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

That's not the way they tell it though. Like that Cena promo where he calls him the most "overhyped, overvalued, overprivileged WWE superstar in existence" or something like it. It's insider nonsense.

They never talk about it in terms of Cena “putting him over” or “doing the job” or whatever. Without the surrealism of the Funhouse, it’s more or less the same “top babyface = bad” insider nonsense as Cena’s feuds with Punk, Bryan, Rock, Owens and others over the years.

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5 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

They never talk about it in terms of Cena “putting him over” or “doing the job” or whatever. Without the surrealism of the Funhouse, it’s more or less the same “top babyface = bad” insider nonsense as Cena’s feuds with Punk, Bryan, Rock, Owens and others over the years.

Maybe you're right and I'm taking it too literally given what they eventualy presented.

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35 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

That's not the way they tell it though. Like that Cena promo where he calls him the most "overhyped, overvalued, overprivileged WWE superstar in existence" or something like it. It's insider nonsense. Maybe it works because no-one really cares that much at the moment anyway.

I wonder what the average 9 year old fan made of that "match" at Mania?

Funny you say that, my lad is 9 and a huge fan.

He didn't understand it all and said it was boring, and this is a lad who is usually engrossed by anything WWE related.

He loved the boneyard match though.

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The above seems to have been the general consensus from what i've seen. Which is understandable, The Funhouse was very insidery and was playing off a whole load of references that required some knowledge of the past 30 years of WWE. A 9 year old won't care about that and only knows one version of John Cena. WrestleMania nowadays always has something that is more aimed at the 'smark' audience and rewards loyal viewing/following of the product. It'll usually also have something that very much appeals to the younger audience too. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a bit of both.

Everyone seems to be comparing the Boneyard and Funhouse. They've been dubbed 'cinematic' wrestling, but they were very different. Boneyard was your big action blockbuster, Funhouse was your David Lynch like, wanky arthouse picture (not a knock, i loved it).

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Finally got around to night 2. Mostly boring apart from Ripley and Flair. That FFFH match is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've seen on any TV let alone a wrestling show. It was the WWE equivalent of Bouncer's Dream in Neighbours. 

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