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im taking that Floyd thing with a pinch of salt, i wont be surprised if it'll be him revealing hes co-promoting Zuffa boxing when that launches.

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Pearson could probably do with hanging them up, couldn't he? Just checked his record and since July 2016 he's 1-7, 3 of those being by KO including the last 2 in a row.

Saying that, he's only 35. Had him as a bit older than that.

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He went into boxing for abit before this MMA comeback. Id like to see him hang them up though, hes suffered some bad losses.

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I didn't know Giblert was still with the UFC, to be honest - for some reason I thought he'd left a while ago.

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sounds like they have found the body of Walt Harris' stepdaughter, absolutely horrible news :(

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From Sherdog:

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On Monday, WRBL News 3 reported that the search for Harris' missing stepdaughter, Aniah Blanchard, has discovered her remains. Lee County District Attorney Brandon Hughes stated, "I can confirm that the human remains have been found and we have good reason to suspect they are that of Aniah Blanchard." Later speaking with the Montgomery Advertiser, he reiterated that law enforcement has "strong reason to believe" the remains were Blanchard's. Harris and his family have been notified of this news.

The first suspect, Ibraheem Yazeed, was arrested on Nov. 7 and extradited to Alabama, where he is currently on trial for first-degree kidnapping. A witness testified on Wednesday that he saw the kidnapping, but did not report it initially after "his wife told him to stay out of it."

A second, Antwain Fisher, was arrested and also charged with first-degree kidnapping on Saturday. According to the affidavit regarding Fisher's arrest, he "provided material assistance to Yazeed by providing transportation to Yazeed, and disposing of evidence." Both men are being held without bond.

Blanchard, 19, was reported missing on Oct. 24 by Harris, and her vehicle was later recovered an hour away from her home in Auburn. The search widened thanks to a combined task force from the U.S. Marshal's Office and multiple other agencies, as well as the support of the mixed martial arts community.

Elijah Blanchard, her father, spoke fondly of his daughter, saying, "She's not a mean person. I've never heard her say anything bad about anybody. She was always a forgiving person, she has a heart of gold and would do anything to help anyone who needed it." He concluded, "I want everybody to know that my daughter is a good person, all the way around."

 

Horrific stuff. 
 

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Oh, my fucking god. Can't fathom how horrendous and devastating that must be for the family, and I dread to think what that poor woman must have gone through before they killed her. Evil bastards, I hope (if they're guilty) they get everything thrown at them. And her father talking about her in the present tense - that's heartbreaking.

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Yeah it’s really heartbreaking news. And sadly, the longer it went on the more inevitable this news felt. Really sad. 

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So there were plans to do Rousey vs Carano in 2013, but Dana was too pushy and abusive during negotiations - https://www.mmamania.com/2019/11/25/20982544/gina-carano-comeback-dana-white-text-message-ronda-rousey-super-fight-ufc

It would have been a massive spectacle. Nonetheless, I won't be losing any sleep over it not happening. In retrospect, I don't find it to be a particularly interesting match-up. Perhaps my view is coloured by how Rousey's MMA career came to an end. Her final two losses completely killed the mystique around her, if that's the right word. 

 

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5 hours ago, jimufctna24 said:

So there were plans to do Rousey vs Carano in 2013, but Dana was too pushy and abusive during negotiations - https://www.mmamania.com/2019/11/25/20982544/gina-carano-comeback-dana-white-text-message-ronda-rousey-super-fight-ufc

It would have been a massive spectacle. Nonetheless, I won't be losing any sleep over it not happening. In retrospect, I don't find it to be a particularly interesting match-up. Perhaps my view is coloured by how Rousey's MMA career came to an end. Her final two losses completely killed the mystique around her, if that's the right word. 

 

To be fair, that's literally what happened. The fighters who faced her before just didn't seem to know how to deal with her and her one-shot kill armbar, and it gave her the aura/mystique of a monster that probably played a huge part in beating her opponents before they even set foot in the cage. Zingano came across as a prime example of that - this otherwise very capable fighter seemed to just lose her head to desperation, and ended up paying the price in a way she wouldn't have against anyone else.

Then Holly Holm came in with a game plan that showed exactly how to beat her, and it turned out to be a strategy that, actually, quite a few of Rousey's opponents could've utilised if they'd figured it out, and kept their composure. If Rousey had stuck around and rematched any of the strikers she'd beaten, like Zingano or even Correia, I reckon she would've lost to them via the blueprint that Holm laid down - especially as her striking progress was being stymied by Thank You Edmond.

And Cyborg? Forget about it. We can say it with hindsight now, but she had as much of an aura, and she would've ended up putting all our jaws on the floor, not just Rousey's, through utter destruction.

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Yeh, i dont think anyone indestructible mystique was lost like Ronda's, her entire legacy feels weaker because of those final 2 defeats. It shouldn't really, but it does. Her place in history is cemented but any talk of 'greatest female fighter' is gone, shes an afterthought in that discussion.

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I don‚Äôt think she‚Äôd have ever lost to Correia. Probably not Zingano either. And that transition into the armbar against Zingano was a thing of beauty. Cat would‚Äôve been fine starting the fight like that¬†against pretty much anyone else. As much as Ronda‚Äôs aura was smashed by those Holm/Nunes losses, I think it‚Äôs easy to forget she did have serious legitimate skills. I‚Äôve seen a lot of revisionism from people acting like she was never any good and that‚Äôs as wrong as Rogan declaring her a ‚Äúonce in a lifetime fighter‚ÄĚ or whatever he said to her through his veil of¬†tears on his podcast that time. Holm got her tactics spot on that night. But at the same time I don‚Äôt think that automatically means the women Ronda previously beat could replicate Holm‚Äôs performance. Zingano had nowhere near the striking technique or footwork of Holm. Neither did Tate,¬†Correia, McMann, Davis etc. And Holm had¬†done her homework in key clinch positions which shut down Ronda‚Äôs attempts to clinch and ultimately killed off her Judo throws. It wasn‚Äôt as straight forward as people made out. She didn‚Äôt just outstrike Ronda. The most important aspect of that whole fight was that Holm had answers for Ronda‚Äôs clinch and that‚Äôs what forced Ronda to stand more and¬†opened up Holm‚Äôs striking opportunities. I don‚Äôt see any of Ronda‚Äôs previous opponents pulling it off. And Nunes...forget it. She¬†is murdering everyone. I think Nunes would‚Äôve beat Ronda even pre-Holm when her aura and confidence was at an all-time high. Holm beat her to it but Nunes is just¬†that good.¬†

What‚Äôs really hurt Ronda‚Äôs legacy is the way she handled those losses and the fact that the final lasting memory of her in MMA is her sulking her way through her last fight week, refusing to do any media,¬†getting battered in under a minute and then fucking off again without facing the media again. Even as big a fan of hers as I was at one time, she came off terribly in all that. Because you just know if she‚Äôd beat Nunes then she‚Äôd have been at the post-fight presser all smiley and talking about how she was ‚Äėback‚Äô and all that. She welcomed the media when it was going¬†well and told them to fuck off when it wasn‚Äôt.¬†You can‚Äôt pick and choose like that. The contrast between that and how Cyborg dealt with her loss to Nunes was like night and day. But all that said, I do think there‚Äôs an element of people acting like she was worse than she was. Kind of like Conor McGregor now. As much as I loathe him these days, he was (and¬†maybe still is) a fantastic fighter. The loss to Khabib was because Khabib is THE nightmare matchup for him. That doesn‚Äôt mean everyone can beat him.¬†

Anyway, yeah, Dana’s a prick. It’s no surprise to hear Gina confirm it and I believe her story 100% because it rings so true with how he know Dana can be. 

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My understanding is that Holm used lateral movement to avoid Rousey's bull rushes. Thus, Rousey was unable to get the clinch. Her clinch game was dependent on her opponent moving backwards and running out of space. 

Obviously, Holm's gameplan is easier said than done. But Holm did give other fighters a clear blueprint on how to beat Rousey. It was clear that Rousey needed to add more facets to her game. 

 

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I'm far from the biggest fan of Rousey, but the way she's talked about now is nothing short of a joke. Who did she lose to? Holly Holm? Amanda Nunes? The same Amanda Nunes who's a two-weight champion and just demolished Cyborg? She was hardly being dropped by bums, was she?

5 hours ago, Carbomb said:

The fighters who faced her before just didn't seem to know how to deal with her and her one-shot kill armbar, and it gave her the aura/mystique of a monster that probably played a huge part in beating her opponents before they even set foot in the cage. Zingano came across as a prime example of that - this otherwise very capable fighter seemed to just lose her head to desperation, and ended up paying the price in a way she wouldn't have against anyone else.

Sorry mate, but that's nonsense. Zingano came in with a gameplan, just like every other fighter who faced Rousey, and she couldn't get it done. She got pressured, had her gameplan ripped away from her and got handled. She "lost her head" because she saw that her gameplan, which she admitted was "to try and get through the first few minutes and then reset from there" had no chance of working.

5 hours ago, Carbomb said:

If Rousey had stuck around and rematched any of the strikers she'd beaten, like Zingano or even Correia, I reckon she would've lost to them via the blueprint that Holm laid down - especially as her striking progress was being stymied by Thank You Edmond.

Seriously, what? Correia who lost by armbar to Irene Aldana? I think you're buying into popular revisionist history here mate. A lot of the MMA fanbase is bitter towards Rousey because she came, she saw, she won, she made a shitload of dough, then fucked off. 

Was her striking top class? No, but we're talking about an Olympic bronze medal winner in Judo. She's not a chump who's losing to the likes of Bethe fucking Correia.

Like many male fighters who dominated in the early days of MMA, she was a specialist. Her game was a ground game, and she could throw you there in a hurry. Was she the greatest female MMA fighter of all time? No, but that doesn't mean she was really shit all along. 

It's quite funny really, because I clearly recall on this forum when everyone thought she was a phenom, and buying into Joe Rogan's ridiculous Tyson comparisons, how Cyborg was "scared" of her and other shite like that. I said that she was very good at one aspect of the game, and that was enough to see her succeed because female MMA wasn't long on the scene at the top level. She was a specialist and a hell of a legit athlete in an era when women's MMA didn't have many of them. The division at the time didn't really interest me, because I knew she was so far ahead of most fighters skill-wise that she'd beat most of her opponents with ease if she could get them to the floor.

I argued for pages with people on here that Cyborg would beat her because she wasn't big enough or strong enough to get Cyborg to the floor. It eventually happened with Holm and then with Nunes. 

Now it seems everyone who thought she was the mutts nuts now think's she was a sham all along, and that some of the fighters she handily defeated would suddenly beat her nowadays. 

That's not true. She was a very good fighter with an incredible Judo pedigree, sub-standard striking, and a top class athlete. That's what she was then, and that's what she still is when you look back on her career. 

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@jimufctna24 That’s true but Holm also knew what to do from the actual clinch positions as well, the positions which were usually sweet spots for Ronda to initiate her Judo throws, which nearly always lead to the armbar of doom. The lateral movement was part of it but there was more to it than that. Holm had a few lines of defence. The movement was the first one, then if she managed to get into clinch range and get a grip on Holm then Holm made sure her hips were lower than Ronda’s at all times, then the one time she did get taken down, Ronda actually went for the armbar and Holm escaped. Ronda did actually get into her positions which were usually the end for her opponents and Holm had answers at every turn. Firas Zahabi did an incredible breakdown in the days after the fight of what Holm was doing but I don’t think the video is up anymore. It got chalked up as Holm just outstriking Ronda, and obviously she did outstrike her. But there was more to it than that. If Holm never had answers for the clinch and armbar attempts then her superior striking wouldn’t have been nearly as effective and she’d probably have suffered the same fate as the rest. The Boxing crowd wanted to claim it as a win for Boxing but Holm’s performance was as MMA as it gets. She used her Boxing, she used both Greco and BJJ techniques in a strong clinch and grappling defence and then she ended it with a headkick straight out of Kickboxing. The mad thing is Holm peaked that night. It was the end of Ronda but Holm fell of big time since as well. She just had the right ingredients to beat Ronda. 

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