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27 minutes ago, Factotum said:

I don't actually see what a centrist group offers anyone. We've seen the utter breakdown of centrist politics in europe/US because its led to nothing. At this time people are looking for radical changes both on the left and the right. Economic policies that put the power into people's hands.

Corbyn's manifesto was extremely popular in 2017, and I see the next one proving popular as well, especially in those areas that the former Labour MPs represent. I don't see an 'independent centrist' defeating the Labour candidate in Liverpool.

This centrist party is hoping to give people an option to the 2 main parties of staunch Brexiter's. That's it.

The 2017 manifesto was good but not as popular as you're making out. You saw a bunch of people protest voting against the Tories Brexit position and the 'dementia tax'. Also, a lot of Labour voters were wrongly under the impression that Labour were a 'remain' party. Given that the Lab leadership is completely at odds with the membership over this citing the 2017 election as a basis for anything is futile. Everything's changed for the centre-left of politics. The right wing however will still continue to vote Tory regardless.

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I disagree. If you look at say the UKIP vote, it mostly went to Labour in the 2017 election. I don't think they were going on the basis of them being Remain. Infact a lot of areas that voted to leave voted Labour. Its one of the reasons its tough for him to back another vote on Brexit.

 

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5 minutes ago, Dead Mike said:

The right wing however will still continue to vote Tory regardless.

Not so sure on this one at the moment - I think UKIP might see a resurgence from voters returning to them who are pissed off with May not delivering the Brexit they want.

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1 minute ago, Carbomb said:

Not so sure on this one at the moment - I think UKIP might see a resurgence from voters returning to them who are pissed off with May not delivering the Brexit they want.

Can't see it personally. There will be those on the right who aren't happy with how Brexit is being implemented, but when push comes to shove those on the right tend to do what has to be done to preserve the status quo and the "greater good" as they see it.

In-fighting and bickering is all well and good, but taking it to the level where it actually loses them power and influence is the domain of the left in all honesty. The left love nothing better than fucking shit up and handing victory on a plate to the right.

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On 2/20/2019 at 10:08 AM, Devon Malcolm said:

No he wasn't.

Apologies - i didnt research it properly. He didnt write it but certainly used it in discussions

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Tory MP Chris Davies charged with making fake expense claims. I know it probably should be in the General Politics thread, but I figured this could potentially affect the Tory majority if he's found guilty and they hold a by-election. Can any of the Welsh posters on here tell me if Brecon & Radnorshire is particularly Tory, or is it a marginal? I would think, being Wales, it would be the latter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chris-davies-tory-charged-expense-invoice-claim-met-police-cps-commons-a8789891.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1pDDZFkT_4UWK-MJt5byJisTVK4VbjCO2qPTMQ7SV74YGh0MN7VlfEhzw#Echobox=1550747462

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A Tory MP has been charged with providing false or misleading information for his Commons expenses claims.

Chris Davies, MP for Brecon and Radnorshire, was charged with two counts of forgery and one of providing false or misleading information for allowance claims, the Crown Prosecution Service said. 

The charges relate to allegations that Mr Davies "falsified two invoices in support of parliamentary expenses claims" in 2016, the CPS said.

 

The MP will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on 22 March.

A CPS spokesperson said: “In November 2018, the Crown Prosecution Service received a file of evidence from the Metropolitan Police relating to an allegation that Christopher Davies, MP for Brecon and Radnorshire, falsified two invoices in support of parliamentary expenses claims.

"Following a review of the evidence, the CPS has today charged Mr Davies with two offences of making a false instrument and one offence of providing false or misleading information for allowance claims.

They continued: "The Crown Prosecution Service reminds all concerned that criminal proceedings against Mr Davies are now active and that he has a right to a fair trial.

"It is extremely important that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings."

Mr Davies, who was elected in 2015 after winning his seat from the Liberal Democrats, was interviewed by police twice last year in relation to the allegations. 

The matter had been referred to the Metropolitan Police's Special Inquiry Team by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa). 

 

 

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Looks like it was a Liberal/Conservative marginal until the 2015 Lib Dem collapse.

However, there's no automatic firing of an MP unless it's a jail sentence of a year or more (and even then, not until they've gone through any appeals process.) If it's less than a year, it opens up a petition process where 10% of electors have to sign within a 10-day period to trigger them being thrown out.

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John Barnes is on Question Time tonight, he'll sort this out

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Spoke with noted political mind, my dad ‚ÄĒ the Labour lot are very principled, but the Tories are anti-democracy snakes. Also, he's heard a lot of Remain voters are so disgusted that even if there was a second referendum, the Leave vote would jump up several points. He's available for QT, or just to rant at people in the pub.

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10 hours ago, Carbomb said:

Tory MP Chris Davies charged with making fake expense claims. I know it probably should be in the General Politics thread, but I figured this could potentially affect the Tory majority if he's found guilty and they hold a by-election. Can any of the Welsh posters on here tell me if Brecon & Radnorshire is particularly Tory, or is it a marginal? I would think, being Wales, it would be the latter.

It's held by the Lib Dems in the Assembly on (for the moment) the same boundaries as for Westminster elections, but the Conservatives would probably hold it in any Commons by-election. Labour would certainly have no chance.

Mid Wales is not like the Valleys or North East Wales, politically or otherwise.

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Yeah, Powys is money and farmers. It's tory as fuck there. Newtown brings me out in hives.

Edited by PowerButchi

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3 minutes ago, PowerButchi said:

Yeah, Powys is money and farmers. It's tory as fuck there. Newtown brings me out in hives.

Too true, it's gone horridly blue nowadays. Last time I was in Newtown it was still Liberal with a load of Lembit √Ėpik posters up... but in my defence I was only there for a Welsh Cup semi-final, not for the politics.

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Me and a mate were just talking about Newtown the other day, and the only thing good said about it was "The Tesco's alright, I suppose".

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