Moderators PowerButchi Posted December 24, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 24, 2018 Prog Rock is probably the whitest, and shittest, music of all time. Main influences are folk and classical. Whiter than nimble bread both of them, no wonder Jim Davidson had Emerson, Lake and Palmer as the theme to the Generation Game when he hosted it, the smug tory arse. But it's pretty fucking great when it's Peter Gabriel helming Genesis doing it (Supper's Ready and More Fool Me are all in my lifetime Top 20. Supper's Ready in it's 23 minute glory is Top 5). Why is that? Gabriel just being generally great with Phil Collins nearing his best on the tins (his best stuff is Brand X to be fair, obscenely good drumming) is my reasoning. Also, why is Rick Wakeman such a fucking disease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted December 24, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 24, 2018 Rick Wakeman did the soundtracks to the documentaries of the 1982 and 1986 World Cups. So he's OK with me. Haven't heard much of him, just like I haven't heard much of Gabriel-era Genesis. I don't like Phil-Genesis. I preferred Phil solo. I always preferred Mike & The Mechanics in the Genesis spin-off stakes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Been a big genesis fan, ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that i didnt really understand any of their work, it was too artsy, too intellectual...it was on Duke where Phill Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece, its an epic meditation on intangibility at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding 3 albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford you can practically hear every nuonce of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmenship and sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism, take the lyrics to "Land of Confusion", in this song, Phil Collins adresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980's, about monogomy and commitment, the song is extremely uplifting, their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I’ve heard in rock. Phil Collins solo career, it seems to be more commercial, and therefore more satisfying in a narrower way. especially songs like In The Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group than as a solo artist, and i stress the word artist! I mean, that’s clearly all bollocks as Gaberial-era Genesis shits on Collins-era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted December 24, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 24, 2018 https://youtu.be/-V-K7B2PdPg video wouldnt embed, but VH1's Behind the Music on Genesis is a good watch ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted December 24, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 hours ago, PowerButchi said: Also, why is Rick Wakeman such a fucking disease? He played pretty much all the piano parts on Hunky Dory, so I give him a bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Teedy Kay said: He played pretty much all the piano parts on Hunky Dory, so I give him a bye. Plus he had one of the best gatefold vinyl centres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Butternut Squash Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 11 hours ago, PowerButchi said: Prog Rock is probably the whitest, and shittest, music of all time. What cobblers. Prog is a fucking beast and the best still stands up today. Gong, Camel, early Yes and Genesis, Henry Cow, Soft Machine . . . The German groups like Can, Faust etc. Not to mention all the forgotten oddities that made some racket then disappeared. Stunning music. And I’m black! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted December 24, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 24, 2018 It's true that it is some of the whitest music around and that's precisely because of its influence from classical music as Butch said but that doesn't make it bad. I was listening to Dream Theatre this morning. It's corny in places and they look like idiots but it's damn good music also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Butternut Squash Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I get it, blacks make better music, in fact I don’t think it’s close. Folk and classical at its best is gorgeous though and anything that enriches the musical landscape is good in my books. Prog also took cues from the more abstract black music like free jazz and fusion etc. as well as blues of course. As much as I like punk it’s a shame musicality/technique become such a dirty word in rock. Heavy metal though. You boys can keep that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Sergio Mendacious Posted December 24, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 24, 2018 You’re half right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 But what about prog metal? Actually.. scrap that, it's mostly god fucking awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Jupiter by Cave In is an incredible ‘modern’ prog album. Prog to me will always be watching that Pink Floyd live in Pompeii video and them letting the dog howl along for a bit. Have I misremembered this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ReturnOfTheMack Posted December 24, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 24, 2018 I stand by my love of Marillion, who also took inspiration from Nordic poetry and traditional Islamic music. Edit: though I also admit quite easily how uncool they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 De-Loused In The Comatorium by The Mars Volta and Frames by Oceansize are two favourite records of all time. I even have time for the first two Coheed & Cambria albums - especially the first one. Although from the third one onwards they took the prog bit of their sound a bit too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Merzbow said: But what about prog metal? Actually.. scrap that, it's mostly god fucking awful. As a metal fan, I’ve got to say... Nah, Merz is right, the vast majority of fucking horrendous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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