Paid Members garynysmon Posted April 10, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, IANdrewDiceClay said: Monday Night Suicide. One side showed up for a war and they decided to kill themselves. I'll maintain that was one of my favourite nights ever as a wrestling fan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 10, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, air_raid said: Nothing says "new kid on the block" like the Dudleys 10 years past their best vs the Nasty Boys 20 years past their best. That feud wasn't completely awful - the promos, at the very least, were pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I get Meltzer being behind the guys to succeed, but yeah he goes way over the top about it. He seems utterly deaf to any criticism of them at all. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted April 10, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 10, 2019 Dave Meltzer is a great wrestling historian and his knowledge of the subject is almost second to none. On that front he's an almost invaluable resource. But I've never paid any attention to his ratings or opinions on wrestling as I don't particularly like 45 minute long Japanese matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted April 10, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 hours ago, air_raid said: Nothing says "new kid on the block" like the Dudleys 10 years past their best vs the Nasty Boys 20 years past their best. Two words: penis cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted April 10, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Devon Malcolm said: Dave Meltzer is a great wrestling historian and his knowledge of the subject is almost second to none. On that front he's an almost invaluable resource. But I've never paid any attention to his ratings or opinions on wrestling as I don't particularly like 45 minute long Japanese matches. He's the boy who never grew up. His tantrums on twitter if you call AEW a t-shirt company are legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted April 10, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 hours ago, jazzygeofferz said: Two words: penis cage. I think it was Christian Cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted April 11, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, IANdrewDiceClay said: He's the boy who never grew up. His tantrums on twitter if you call AEW a t-shirt company are legendary. Which is hilarious considering how often he uses how many t-shirts they've sold as a metric. He's been arguing for the past couple of days that they're the second biggest promotion in North America because "they would sell out in any city". Which may or may not be true. But how can you realistically argue a promotion that haven't run a single show being the second biggest? He's risking whatever credibility he has left if this all goes tits up.  I don't even think he's on AEW's payroll, I just think it's the first time that a somewhat important wrestling promotion is reflecting his tastes in wrestling, and that he's always been biased towards those wrestlers who are on his side. As a wrestling historian I put him in a similar category to Jim Cornette - clearly an expert on the subject, but the more they show themselves as missing the point on certain aspects of modern wrestling, the less I'm inclined to trust their accounts of its past. With Cornette it's a failure to recognise how the industry has moved on in terms of in-ring product and the nature of kayfabe, with Meltzer he seems almost completely blind to the importance of angles and storytelling in putting together a "good match". Edited April 11, 2019 by BomberPat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love-Wilcox Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I think it’s unfair to Dave to say that he’s blind to the importance of angles and storytelling. One of the things he praised Omega/Okada4 for was the 18 month build, the constant call backs to their previous matches and the emotion and importance behind Kenny ending Okada’s record setting reign. Dave isn’t blind to storytelling, it’s just that he prefers his stories to be told in the ring for the most part, as opposed to backstage segments or 10 minute promos. It’s really just a matter of taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted April 11, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 11, 2019 That's a fair point - but I do think the "star rating" system is something that's a bit of a holdover from the days of tape trading when you largely would be watching these matches devoid of context. To give a match a rating out of four, or five, or seven and a half, rarely takes into account the role that months or years of build or storytelling would have in contributing to it, nor does it take into account its position within the card its own - we've talked in the Wrestlemania thread about not wanting certain matches to main event because the crowd would be exhausted by then, but matches in different positions on the card serve different purposes generally. Whether you're there live or watching taped makes a difference, too. To use an old example, that he gave Hogan vs. Andre -4 stars tells me that he's missing the point. That he thinks Gargano vs. Cole might be the best WWE match of all time tells me has a very particular taste, and if we accept that about his judgments of wrestling today, we need to consider it when looking at his accounts of wrestling history as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted April 11, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, TildeGuy~! said: Â Rumours PPV's will be on HBO which makes sense as they are no longer showing Boxing which was their big draw which are obviously part of Warner/Turner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam O'Rourke Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 This comes also after talk that Warner Media Group with be presenting All Elite Wrestling at their May 15th upfronts in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyGraham Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 So basically most of the initial rumours are gaining traction/ turning out to be true. Fair play to them. Now if we can keep our cynicism in check we might have something to enjoy, eh lads? Lads? Lads!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted April 11, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted April 11, 2019 “Hey, Vince. Guess what? I’m in the rasslin’ business… again!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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