Keith Houchen Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 4 hours ago, MPDTT said: I don't like WWE, I don't watch WWE, I don't have a WWE network subscription. I'm a HonorClub subscriber and a NJPW World subscriber... All In was the show of the year as far as I'm concerned. @Devon Malcolm, you're spot on.  My guess is there are people who despise WWE so much that they don't want to watch their product, even when their favourite performers are on the bill.  What an alternative product could bring that's new is beyond me, there is already so many things different on offer as it is.  That's why they get excited at the thought of the latest alphabet soup promotion coming along so they can be the winner of fighting over scraps from the WWE table. It's not even bush league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted November 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Â @Devon Malcolm, you're spot on. Â My guess is there are people who despise WWE so much that they don't want to watch their product, even when their favourite performers are on the bill. Â What an alternative product could bring that's new is beyond me, there is already so many things different on offer as it is. Â That's why they get excited at the thought of the latest alphabet soup promotion coming along so they can be the winner of fighting over scraps from the WWE table. It's not even bush league. Nah. There is a market between your ROH's and your alphabetti spaghetti indies and WWE. There always has been. I get the comments on the sort of "fans" who'll turn their nose up at this if it becomes more than a glorified indy but that's where the market is. For a promotion with some national exposure who offer a product that is more old school than WWE and is probably more adult - not from a tits and arse perspective (fuck you, Russo). It needs some recognisable names and recurring characters which you don't get with indies and it needs money to attract TV interest and sponsors. I think there are loads of people who'd watch it. The key is exposure though. Getting beyond the finite group who watch ROH or NXT is important though. There are literally millions of lapsed fans. Your neckbeards, those lapsed fans and whatever you can pick up from WWE are your market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 And of course, there are WWE fans who would watch it.  My point is it will be nothing new and a shrewd businessman like Khan won't be throwing millions at it to get something like a 10% market share.  Peoples hatred of all things Vince is clouding perspective in my opinion, they WANT to break up the hold he has on wrestling so much they'll put all their faith in any old snake oil salesman or money mark. Competition is wonderful, but even if this gets bankrolled like fans hope it does, it'll be a youtube show vs Game Of Thrones.  There are plenty of youtube shows already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted November 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: And of course, there are WWE fans who would watch it.  My point is it will be nothing new and a shrewd businessman like Khan won't be throwing millions at it to get something like a 10% market share.  Peoples hatred of all things Vince is clouding perspective in my opinion, they WANT to break up the hold he has on wrestling so much they'll put all their faith in any old snake oil salesman or money mark. Competition is wonderful, but even if this gets bankrolled like fans hope it does, it'll be a youtube show vs Game Of Thrones.  There are plenty of youtube shows already. That's a fair point but what other industry are there literally millions of people who no longer watch/follow the biggest example of that industry? It'd be like Vince launching the XFL IF the NFL had lost millions and millions of viewers over the last decade or two. Plus, it's an industry that traditionally peaks and troughs. Something always sparks the next peak and who is to know what that is? Don't get me wrong, I don't think this will be anything more than MLW, unfortunately, but I can see an opportunity if someone with big balls and a big wallet did it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 31 minutes ago, tiger_rick said: That's a fair point but what other industry are there literally millions of people who no longer watch/follow the biggest example of that industry? NASCAR is the first one off the top of my head, attendances have dropped for that. As bad as it sounds, a lot of people have stopped watching because they've "Grown out of it".  Wrestling may be cyclical, although I tend to think that gets used as an excuse for too many things, but maybe it's a case of entertainment moves on?  What are Panini album sales like these days?  When we were kids (Yeah I know it was a very long time ago) we all had sticker albums, BMXs, skateboards etc but tastes have changed, kids don't get them in the numbers they once did.  I think it's the same as wrestling.  There isn't so much a lapsed fanbase, more a fanbase that hasn't been replaced this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted November 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said: There are already numerous alternative products to WWE, credible or otherwise. What are ROH and CZW and the like if not alternatives? And what is the 'different target audience'? It strikes me, whenever I see NXT or a WWE PPV or the Raw after Wrestlemania, that said 'different target audience' is sat at a WWE event waiting for the wrestlers they've been following around on the indies to appear at a WWE event. Couldn't have said it better myself. These people who are clamoring for an 'alternative' don't actually want an alternative; all they want is WWE booked like their own EWR promotion. The thought of watching anything that hasn't got the same names and/or production value as Vince's mega show isn't going to appease them because they're full of faux-outrage. Just like people who moan about a supposed lack of 'proper music' these days, but when you direct them to bands and artists who aren't in the Top 40 they suddenly lose interest. Edited November 29, 2018 by Accident Prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted November 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 29, 2018 People want TNA circa 2005 before Russo booked it to hell, or a well booked indy with top grade production values. It's a shame these people don't just watch NXT. All In felt a big deal but TakeOver happens every couple of months and doesn't need 12 months build or hype. But you still get workrate and movez!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 41 minutes ago, air_raid said: People want TNA circa 2005 before Russo booked it to hell, or a well booked indy with top grade production values. It's a shame these people don't just watch NXT. All In felt a big deal but TakeOver happens every couple of months and doesn't need 12 months build or hype. But you still get workrate and movez!1 Whilst true, some people don't want to give WWE any of their cash and fair play to them for sticking to that. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted November 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Whilst true, some people don't want to give WWE any of their cash and fair play to them for sticking to that. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted November 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted November 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Whilst true, some people don't want to give WWE any of their cash and fair play to them for sticking to that. Oh, I wasn't even thinking about any of these moan artists actually paying cash money to Watch Wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPDTT Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 It would seem that this is looking more and more likely......given their ROH departure and the content of this weeks Being the Elite. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddyjoe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 11/29/2018 at 1:39 PM, Keith Houchen said: @Devon Malcolm, you're spot on.  My guess is there are people who despise WWE so much that they don't want to watch their product, even when their favourite performers are on the bill.  What an alternative product could bring that's new is beyond me, there is already so many things different on offer as it is.  That's why they get excited at the thought of the latest alphabet soup promotion coming along so they can be the winner of fighting over scraps from the WWE table. It's not even bush league. What is Bush League? Is it an Americanism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted December 19, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 19, 2018 Why wouldn't you just look that up if you didn't know what it meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted December 19, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, MPDTT said: It would seem that this is looking more and more likely......given their ROH departure and the content of this weeks Being the Elite. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love-Wilcox Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Forgive me if this has been mentioned already but what are the odds this could end up being Netflix related? I think that’s one of the few outcomes that would both have me legitimately excited and have a chance at being successful in its own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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