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I think it's worth bearing in mind that Corbyn vs Boris or Rees-Mogg is a very different proposition to the last few elections. 

The Tories have been trading off the 'safe pair of hands' myth for years, portraying Miliband and Corbyn as reckless, dangerous mavericks. Rightly or wrongly, May in particular was somewhat seen as that safe pair of hands.

The chaos of the last year or two has really damaged that myth. But if you take a Johnson or Rees-Mogg, then the election story becomes more a maverick vs a maverick. 

Safe vs unknown is one thing. Two sets of unknowns? That's a very different proposition, especially with people you wouldn't trust to build an IKEA cabinet, let alone run a political one. 

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Boris "You wouldn't trust him with your wife, why trust him with your country"

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10 hours ago, Chris B said:

The chaos of the last year or two has really damaged that myth. But if you take a Johnson or Rees-Mogg, then the election story becomes more a maverick vs a maverick. 

No it doesn't, for the most part it becomes a lovable, eccentric character who loves Great Britain and champions the people and how we cope with adversity, quoting Churchill and all that shite, vs someone who's seen as hesitant to clamp down on anti-semitism because he supports Palestinian terrorists, a "Communist" and who supported the IRA.

Corbyn is only seen as a maverick by a relatively small percentage of the country. To most he's unelectable and someone not to be trusted, because that's the narrative of the mainstream media for the most part.

I'm fairly certain that if a general election was to be held next week we'd see plenty of optimistic posts on here about how Labour could do, which would swiftly be followed by dismay and anger when everyone realises that the majority of the country doesn't think like the people who post here.

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This is a fascinating period in British politics but it is one in which there will be clear losers. Losing a vote on Brexit and a no confidence vote in the govt. doesn't sound as though things are moving in the right direction.

Theresa May is like a shit you can't crimp. 

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Thank fuck that's out of the way. Now we can actually start to find out what will happen.

Obviously she will win the VONC tomorrow. The DUP and ERG will back her.

She won't be able to come back with any significant changes to the deal, so at that point, I see motions being brought forward to allow MPs to vote to prevent a No Deal. Which would make the default position to withdraw Article 50 presumably.

Or, there is a decision made to Extend Article 50 and kick the can down the road again. Maybe a General Election then gets called, or else a 2nd Referendum.

I really can't see a No Deal scenario now. Thank fuck

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Jean Claude Juncker has already said this evening that this is the only deal. Of course he has to say that, but the EU has consistently stuck to its position while we have ponced around and done fuck all. 

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So if no deal looks unlikely to be accepted, the current deal is dead and Brussels are firmly saying there is no better deal, what's left ...

A general election that would result in either a (likely) weaker Conservative government with a new PM or a Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn, both of which would have no realistic chance of securing a better deal than the one we just saw killed off.

A second referendum is the only thing that makes sense to me. If we go through a second referendum and the result is the same as the first then it at least justifies the months and years of further attempts to work out a deal that'll get the backing of parliament. Surely enough has happened since the first referendum to now justify a second.

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Thing is, if we have a second referendum and it squeaks through for remain, how do we placate the leavers? We can't do best of three. Cameron has a lot to answer for, he's made this country a hate filled tribalist shithole.For example "Remain - Good Leave - Bad", when people don't want to seem to want to see why people voted the way they did like it's being on the terraces for a derby. On Facebook, BTL on the Guardian, and even here with that dogshit " Something is Leave and Something is Remain" thread on here are indictive of the dogshit he left us in. From Home Bargains Socialists singing the praises of Remain as it's the Socialist thing to do (Which it really isn't) to arseholes wanting to leave to send them all back while moaning we'll have to pay for a Visa for a spanish holiday, to other arsehole business owners wanting to leave to get out of European Working Regulation, and other arsehole remaining business owners wanting to stay due to their anti Trade Union neoliberal arsery. People who felt left behind blackened the face of politics by voting out and now being told people want a people's vote when people voted to leave and so putting them back in their "you don't matter box", but at the same time they got lied to anyway. It's fucked. Completely fucked.

 

It's all fucked. All fucking fucked.

 

The last ever episode of The New Statesman saw this coming in 1992.

 

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I'm pretty sure Corbs can get a better deal than May - it's her "Red lines" that she won't budge from that the EU also won't budge for. 

Still seeing MPs going on about the EU having to make concessions. I don't get how the DUP can be so stupid. They should vote these wankers down in the NC vote today. Maybe Russo's booking them and they'll do it and it'll be a massive swerve. 

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19 minutes ago, hallicks said:

I'm pretty sure Corbs can get a better deal than May - it's her "Red lines" that she won't budge from that the EU also won't budge for. 

Still seeing MPs going on about the EU having to make concessions. I don't get how the DUP can be so stupid. They should vote these wankers down in the NC vote today. Maybe Russo's booking them and they'll do it and it'll be a massive swerve. 

1. Corbyn would not be able to get a better deal out of Brexit. That's either blind loyalty, wishful thinking or both.

2. The DUP are not as much stupid as they're arrogant. Seeing Sammy Wilson having the smackdown laid on him on Channel 4 yesterday evening was brilliant.

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