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Yesterday I made a comment on Facebook thatĀ people votedĀ for "a Brexit" rather than a definitive Brexit.

Someone responded by saying that the country voted to leave and that a second vote would be the end of democracy and the start of a dictatorship.Ā 

You know, those well knowm dictatorships where the leader is all like "you might have changed your mind now you've seen what's happened, have another vote."Ā 

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On 11/24/2018 at 5:34 PM, Fog Dude said:

Nice to know you frequent bars where people are deluded enough to have fallen hook, line and sinker for BarƧa propaganda.

Seems that more than the uneducated losers who frequent my local have fallen for the Barca propaganda in these parts;

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After 36 years of Socialist rule, voters have put AndalucĆ­a in the hands of right-wing parties.

None of the opinion polls had predicted the historic regional election result in AndalucĆ­a last Sunday night. A sharp decline in support for the ruling PSOE Socialist party and a drop-off in votes for the left in general gave parties to the right a majority and the chance to wrest control of the Junta de AndalucĆ­a regional government from the PSOE for the first time in 36 years.

The other main news of the night was the shock emergence of far-right party, Vox, as a parliamentary force, winning 12 seats, its first in any part of Spain, with 11 per cent of the vote.

The founder of Vox, Santiago Abascal, said this week that his party was ā€œgrowing thanks to the insultsā€ of other political parties. That in part explains the stunning increase in support for his party, qualified by some as far-right and by others as just right wing. Franceā€™s far-right leader Marie Le Pen congratulated Vox on its achievement in AndalucĆ­a after Sundayā€™s vote.

While left-wing parties and many members of the public called for protests and a fight back, claiming the party are ā€œfachasā€ or fascists, analysts have been rushing to explain where the support came from last Sunday.

Immigration has played a part, say some. Vox wants to expel illegal immigrants from Spain and build a stronger barrier in Spainā€™s North African towns of Ceuta and Melilla. The highest vote for Vox last Sunday was 30 per cent in the town of El Ejido, AlmerĆ­a, with a high immigrant population working in the fruit industry. A reaction to Catalan separatism has also been cited by observers, where many feel the PSOE government nationally has been too generous to those involved in the illegal independence movement. Analysis shows that moderate votes from both the left and right wing have been attracted for this reason.

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It's a sad day indeed.

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1 hour ago, David said:

It's a sad day indeed.

Agreed, these are sad times over there. Forty years ago, many Catalans voted for the Partido Andalucista out of solidarity because they recognised it wasn't fair that they were getting democratic, decentralised institutions whenĀ Andalusia wasn't. That solidarity hasn't been reciprocated now.Ā One explanation is that lots of people who live in Catalonia have Andalusian grandparents, whileĀ the reverse isn't true.Ā 

I'm not really a fan of the main 3 parties in the Andalusian Parliament (if I lived there I'd have probably voted for the animal rights party PACMA, that want to stop bullfighting), but the fact that a fifth party, fromĀ the extreme right no less, has entered is very alarming. I mentioned in a PM to Carbomb a couple of weeks ago that I was worried Vox might win a seat... and then they ended up with a dozen!Ā  They've had a boost in the national polls in the past week since the regional election too.Ā 

It shows Spain isn't immune to global overtly far-right movements in the way it thought it might've been. I say 'overtly' because as you point out, the PP already had a whiff of barely reconstructed Francoism about them.Ā 

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It's easy to forget that May was a supporter of staying in the EU when the referendum took place. She may be trying to strike a deal of some sort, but she's not a "Brexiteer" by any stretch.Ā She even commented that;

"I think the economic arguments are clear. I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe. If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say, do they need to develop a mainland Europe presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms."

"There are definitely things we can do as members of the European Union that I think keep us more safe."

She kind of kept out of the limelight of the remain campaign because she suspected that if the vote went against them she could be a realistic candidate to replace Cameron.

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34 minutes ago, quote the raven said:

EU are still saying they wonā€™t budge.

So they're looking after their member state interests? Ā Good on them. Ā The ECJ ruled that we can revoke article 50 without permission from the other members so that's massive.

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7 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

So they're looking after their member state interests? Ā Good on them. Ā The ECJ ruled that we can revoke article 50 without permission from the other members so that's massive.

Nor should they, they have made it clear this is it. The deal is what it is. I donā€™t see what possible point delaying the vote will solve.Ā 

May is now in a no win situation. She can delay and get nothing or push forward and lose.Ā 

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2 minutes ago, quote the raven said:

I donā€™t see what possible point delaying the vote will solve

To have longer to whip up the MPs to ensure they vote the way she wants. Ā But it stinks of desperation. Ā to put it in UKFF terms, it's like when Ian Beale was taking all the cash from the tills to raise the cash he needed before being declared bankrupt after Phil wouldn't help him.

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Just now, Keith Houchen said:

To have longer to whip up the MPs to ensure they vote the way she wants. Ā But it stinks of desperation. Ā to put it in UKFF terms, it's like when Ian Beale was taking all the cash from the tills to raise the cash he needed before being declared bankrupt after Phil wouldn't help him.

The one day Barry and Roy didnt have a chippy tea as well.

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5 minutes ago, quote the raven said:

Nor should they, they have made it clear this is it. The deal is what it is. I donā€™t see what possible point delaying the vote will solve.Ā 

May is now in a no win situation. She can delay and get nothing or push forward and lose.Ā 

Think we all are tbh

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Has there been a more sitting duck, useless PM reign in modern UK history? The whole 2 years of her reign have been utterly farcical. From triggering Article 50 quickly, to calling an election, losing her majority, being bullied by 50 of her MPs, paying 1 billion to bribe the DUP then having them go against her,Ā  refusing to sack Boris Knobwanker from the cabinet after time and time again being a knobwanker, him then resigning to make her look stupid, her stupid dancing, windrush, trying to block all the legal advice on Brexit being shown to MPs, losing 3 votes in 45 minutes, striking a deal which pisses off people who voted leave and remain, saying this vote would go ahead and then delaying it...bloody hell. Its utterly ridiculous. Throw in her time as Home Secretary coming back every 5 minutes to bite her and you have to wonder if she even believes she's capable of doing this job.

No wonder they're lining up to stab her in the back. Boris has basically lumbered her with the 2 years graft to walk in and act like he's some sort of savior. He's even cut his stupid bloody hair in anticipation. Maybe he's writing some new racist quips over lunch with his mate Nigel in preparation for appealing to the Tommy Brigade

For me, from the very start this should have been a cross party negotiation. The fact nobody has taken control of any of this and been level headed is shameful.

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6 minutes ago, Factotum said:

For me, from the very start this should have been a cross party negotiation.ļ»æ The fact nobody has taken control of any of this and been level headed is shameful.

Spot on.

The issue is to big to try and force. Your also right about May shes stumbled from one bad choice to another.

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