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Nasty Boy John Lydon


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Just now, Lord-Mountevans said:

Cerys Matthews was recently being interviewed live on local radio, so i text in this question that actually got read out "Is it true that your friend Sir Tom Jones has a catchphrase that he shouts out when he gets interrupted "NOT RIGHT NOW BOYO"?

She laughed loudly & said she was not sure, then changed the subject.

Guilty as charged Your Honor! :D

Marvellous!

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17 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

That'll be all that extra weight he's carrying

Always bothers me when people say Johnny sold out.  What did he sell out exactly?  He said from day one that he is all about the money.  At one of the SPOT gigs in Coventry, people were going up to him trying to buy him a pint. He said no, just give me the money you were going to spend on it.

Rotten > Strummer

Has he always said that, I saw an interview a couple of years ago him saying that he did the adverts so he could do more music, which I think is bullshit, if he wanted to tour surely he could get a decent advance to do one. I wouldn't mind if he just said yeah I want the money.

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3 minutes ago, westlondonmist said:

Has he always said that, I saw an interview a couple of years ago him saying that he did the adverts so he could do more music, which I think is bullshit, if he wanted to tour surely he could get a decent advance to do one. I wouldn't mind if he just said yeah I want the money.

Maybe he meant to pay for studio time or equipment?  Or as you say was talking bollocks.  But yeah, in terms of selling out your principles, he has always been about making money and hasn't tried to hide that.

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Didnt he finance the Pil tours himself (without the aid of a promoter), through his butter adverts? He was desperate to get Pil back on the road for years, and seemed to only be able to after those adverts. You can never tell with Lydon, but he says he'll not deal with tour promoters. Although the Pistols gigs in 2008 seemed to be definitely ran through one. He's a walking contradiction, our John.

In among the pantomime dame of punk stuff, its sometimes easy to forget he's put out some fantastic music. World Destruction by Bambaataa was excellent. Open Up with Leftfield was class as well. Rise, This is Not A Love Song, Disco Death, Pop Tones, Public Image were all belters.  And he turned down the chance to do something with Gorillaz, which amused me.

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5 minutes ago, Factotum said:

The Pistols did a tour called 'The Filthy Lucre Tour' Lydon has never made any bones about it. Also the butter advert was hilarious for the meltdown some people had.

 

Met him a few times through work and he was lovely.

It was a fantastic troll job by Lydon. They did a press conference and the first thing he said "we've gotten back together for a common cause, and its your money!" That was the era of KISS getting back together and Van Halen reuniting with Diamond Dave at the MTV awards, so bands were happily pretending to like each other for the coin was a bit of a talking point.

The Pistols reunion was so fucking brilliant. Everyone hated them, and Lydon was loving it. It was slap bang in the middle of BritPop as well. Alan McGee buried the idea of it, and then went to see them and spent thousands taking out an ad in the NME to apologise and tell people how wrong it was. It was a great time.

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2 hours ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Didnt he finance the Pil tours himself (without the aid of a promoter), through his butter adverts? He was desperate to get Pil back on the road for years, and seemed to only be able to after those adverts. You can never tell with Lydon, but he says he'll not deal with tour promoters. Although the Pistols gigs in 2008 seemed to be definitely ran through one. He's a walking contradiction, our John.

 

Aye. He says most of the butter money went into financing the tours and paying off a substantial amount of debt he owed to record companies and what not. PiL were on ice for so many years because of this.

I'll always have a lot of goodwill for Lydon because my old man is a massive Pistols and PiL fan (he's got an insane vinyl collection from his youth), so I grew up listening to Lydon's fantastic voice. My old man has soured on him in recent years, though. Part butter advert, part Lydon being a little cringe.

It's a shame all the panto antics seem to overshadow the fact that Lydon has been front and centre of some of the best and innovative music from this country (for some).

I saw PiL three years ago and I was surprised at how well it all went. Lydon, in person, is maybe the most charismatic human being I've ever witnessed and I've met John Collins. 

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20 hours ago, westlondonmist said:

Has he always said that, I saw an interview a couple of years ago him saying that he did the adverts so he could do more music, which I think is bullshit, if he wanted to tour surely he could get a decent advance to do one. I wouldn't mind if he just said yeah I want the money.

Touring is stressful. He's a relatively old man with health problems. If you need to raise some cash, what's the more sensible option, slogging it round the country night after night with people throwing bottles at your head, or an afternoon or two smiling at a camera and holding a slice of toast?

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1 hour ago, Nostalgia Nonce said:

Touring is stressful. He's a relatively old man with health problems. If you need to raise some cash, what's the more sensible option, slogging it round the country night after night with people throwing bottles at your head, or an afternoon or two smiling at a camera and holding a slice of toast?

I have no doubt about that but he does do the tours. I also would have thought he would do well out of royalties, his stuff must get a fair amount of radio play and legal downloads through spotify/deezer or Amazon. I'm not saying he sold out anyway, was his music ever particularly socialist? I didn't think so, anyway but maybe it is, at least not to the level of something like The Clash. It was more an attack on how society was failing as a society as a whole.

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Yeah I never really saw the Pistols as taking any real Political stance. It was more a 'rip it up and start again' type attitude. PIL had a pop at everything.

He does well enough out of royalties etc. I would say, lives in LA and is relatively comfortable. But why spend your own money on getting out of debt with a record company? Do 2 days work and there you go done!

Also I find it hilarious people act like Country Life Butter is some evil corporation he sold out to. Its butter for heaven's sake. Its not like he did a Pepsi commercial with Tina Turner.

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On 9/17/2018 at 9:10 PM, The Maestro said:

Not trying to veer the conversation myself here, but Cerys Matthews has recently been quoted as saying she'd be more inclined to play artists from a privileged background on her Radio 6 Sunday borefest. I find this disgusting. What else will I play in the background as I cook my avocado and walnut crêpes for brunch?

 . . . Okay? She actually said the opposite.

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