IANdrewDiceClay 5,933 Report post Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Astro Hollywood said: But I remember previously reading something about how in the old days he'd pretend to be drunk when doing standup in clubs, because women would let him get away with groping them during his set, although probably everyone was doing that back then, not that that makes it okay obviously. He made a big fuss on SNL and threatened to walk because they wanted to pair him with a female comic on the Weekend Update sketches. Also, I watched a recent series of Last Comic Standing where he was a judge, and he went extremely sour on someone for using the bible as a punchline, going on about how offensive it was to mock religion. He wasn't joking then either, and it took me aback a bit. I have no idea what is an isnt true with him. Joe Rogan told a story on his podcast about how Norm was in a bar and went on and on about how he hasnt smoked for years and that smoking is a horrible habit etc. Then they go outside and he lights a fag up, and says "I guess I smoke now." He's so fucking weird. I was very confused with his "mock religion" bit on LCS. He's taken the piss out of religion himself loads, so I had no idea where that came from. He's never been a preachy guy, so that line was so out of the blue. As someone who has seen everything he's ever done, he seems to rebel against anything. I mean anything. The thing on Last Comic Standing was around the same time he started the "atheism is the new hack comedy" opinion on his podcast. He's also a guy who went to a comedy roast and told really clean jokes and mock insults like "he's got a lot on his mind ... when he wears a hat!" just to not do the same stuff as the rest of the roasters. I dunno, though. It was a dumb thing to say, especially for a guy who when he's let his guard down always seems like a nice guy. There's been some very sweat moments from him over the years. Its really disappointing. Edited September 12, 2018 by IANdrewDiceClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinBollocks 1,102 Report post Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said: Norm's getting all kinds of pelters at the minute for saying he's glad the #MeToo movement has slowed down. Truly a sad situation. He's brilliantly done another interview distancing himself from it all by saying "you'd have to have Down Syndrome not to feel sorry for the victims." An incredible apology. Yeah. I've honestly been on a tadĀ of a downer over it. The best you can argue for him is he made some really clumsy points that areĀ a weird blend of compassion, insensitivity and stupidity. His sincerity since shows it wasn't shtick - although I can understand why people could feel that way if they followed Norm's career closely, prior to all the apologies. I'm going to listen to the Stern interview before having a go, but aye the "down syndrome" line wasn't smart considering. I was actually thinking of creating a Norm thread yesterday (what with his new show), but then all this happened. It sucks when your heroes let you down, particularly when you assume they're above all this. Your move Hanks. Edited September 12, 2018 by ColinBollocks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devon Malcolm 7,324 Report post Posted September 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I think it pisses you off when it's someone whose work you adore because there is such a connection you make to the films, it's like you think they must share the same values as you. Ā Dunno if that makes sense. It absolutely does. But then I think about how much I love a few of Roman Polanski's films and it barely registers with me when watching them what he's done. Maybe it's because all this is going on now and I wasn't quite around when he did Chinatown or anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Accident Prone 3,024 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: I think it pisses you off when it's someone whose work you adore because there is such a connection you make to the films, it's like you think they must share the same values as you. Ā Dunno if that makes sense. Absolutely makes sense. I believe that it's going to happen a lot more in the future and it's going to cause a big divide between those of us who can drop a loved personality and those who refuse to.Ā In my opinion, now matter how much I can love an artist, supporting the victims is a lot more important in the grand scheme of things. It will be hard though. I enjoyed CK's stand up but I dropped him like a dime. I don't feel like my life is emptier without him or House Of Cards in my life anymore. However, I can admit that I still listen to Brand New and As I Lay Dying, so I'm not perfect when it comes to these situations.Ā Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bellenda Carlisle 1,327 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 I just told forum member Fox Piss to buy and read Norm's amazingĀ book a couple of weeks ago, sorry about the timing FP! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guy Bifkin 535 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: I think it pisses you off when it's someone whose work you adore because there is such a connection you make to the films, it's like you think they must share the same values as you. Ā Dunno if that makes sense. For what it's worth I still think Gary Glitter's Rock 'n Roll pt2 is one of the best pop songs ever.Ā Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Zeb 526 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 It's a cloudy issue, but I generally don't think there's a need to feel guilty or dirty for enjoying someone's films or music or whatever just because they've been outed as a bit of a shit human being overall. You can make the moral choice to stop financially supporting them, but what you like is what you like. There will be times when someone has repulsed you so much that anything associated with them is automatically tainted in your mind and you're no longer capable of enjoying them. And that's fine. But don't beat yourself up if that souring hasn't occurred. It's likely that the work they've created is an expression of the more positive side to their personalities, the part we can all relate to, overshadowed though it might have become by the negative traits that are rightly scorned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Houchen 9,788 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Yeah I think it's a personal thing, isn't it. Ā I mean, I don't want to sound all Harmonic Carbomb here, (apologies @HarmonicGeneratorĀ and @Carbomb) but I love the paintings of Caravaggio but he was a murderer and most likely a woofter who liked them young. Ā Can overlook the killing and pederasty but the gayness is a brush too far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hannibal Scorch 1,343 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 14 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said: Ahh, didn't see that, sorry mate. I don't know why this one has bothered me so much. I mean, they all do, but it hasn't stopped me from watching stuff with people involved in stuff like this, whether rightly or wrongly. I'd been looking forward to The PredatorĀ for months but all this has blown up and I've lost all enthusiasm for it. It's just awful that only Jacob Tremblay has stood up for Olivia Munn on this, a bloody 11 year old kid. Thankfully Stirling K Brown and Boyd Holbrook put out statements over the weekend and Shane Black has also now apologized as wellĀ https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2018/09/13/director-shane-black-gets-visibly-choked-up-responding-to-olivia-munn-predator-controversy/23525862/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IANdrewDiceClay 5,933 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Norm was on the View today. He's upset about it all. Ā Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinBollocks 1,102 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Did he drop his famous fist full of Xanax during the interview? I don't know how you don't end up a little overwhelmed by some of the responses. Particularly when you hear about some of the producers on the Tonight Show openly weeping by his mere presence (which is a little mad). As Norm points out, he said some things he feels were taken out of contextĀ rather than being a genuinely evil person, and given some of theĀ responses you'd imagine heĀ was Pete Townsend. Hopefully he can now go on and live a happy life as a deeply closeted gay man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Houchen 9,788 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Christ allfuckingmighty. Ā I've just realised that for the whole time I've been thinking you were on about George Wendt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpursRiot2012 396 Report post Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) I love Norm and was saddened by his comments but his explanations for his couple of faux pas lately seem to be pretty genuine, and I'd like to believe that they are. I'm not sure I entirely get what he's saying about Hardwick and #MeToo exactly, though. Edited September 13, 2018 by SpursRiot2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinBollocks 1,102 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, SpursRiot2012 said: I'm not sure I entirely get what he's saying about Hardwick and #MeToo exactly, though. With the Hardwick case, an ex accused him of all manner of horrendous abuse, which lead to Hardwick almost immediately losing all his big gigs and, obviously, being labeled a terrible person. As the weeks went on,Ā evidence came outĀ (text messages and what not) and AMC carried out an investigation with a law firm, which ended with themĀ supporting Hardwick not being a monsterĀ and he got his jobs back. Whether Hardwick did those awful things, no one truly knows apart from the two involved, but Norm's point is you must be careful to hear both sides ("dueĀ process" as Joy butted in with)Ā before ending a persons career because of an accusation. Of course, his point is a very very tricky subject to debate, because everyone knows how awful it must be to come forward against personal abuse and have people discredit you. Particularly when you've got horrible people like Roxanne Pallett onĀ the telly making it harder. Edited September 14, 2018 by ColinBollocks Hardrick is yer uncle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperBacon 2,642 Report post Posted September 14, 2018 Literally the first time in my life I've ever heard of this Norm chap. Who is he? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites