The Celebrity Sexual Harassment and Rapists Thread

[IANdrewDiceClay 5,308]

12 minutes ago, Astro Hollywood said:

But I remember previously reading something about how in the old days he'd pretend to be drunk when doing standup in clubs, because women would let him get away with groping them during his set, although probably everyone was doing that back then, not that that makes it okay obviously. He made a big fuss on SNL and threatened to walk because they wanted to pair him with a female comic on the Weekend Update sketches. Also, I watched a recent series of Last Comic Standing where he was a judge, and he went extremely sour on someone for using the bible as a punchline, going on about how offensive it was to mock religion. He wasn't joking then either, and it took me aback a bit.

I have no idea what is an isnt true with him. Joe Rogan told a story on his podcast about how Norm was in a bar and went on and on about how he hasnt smoked for years and that smoking is a horrible habit etc. Then they go outside and he lights a fag up, and says "I guess I smoke now." He's so fucking weird.

I was very confused with his "mock religion" bit on LCS. He's taken the piss out of religion himself loads, so I had no idea where that came from. He's never been a preachy guy, so that line was so out of the blue. As someone who has seen everything he's ever done, he seems to rebel against anything. I mean anything. The thing on Last Comic Standing was around the same time he started the "atheism is the new hack comedy" opinion on his podcast. He's also a guy who went to a comedy roast and told really clean jokes and mock insults like "he's got a lot on his mind ... when he wears a hat!" just to not do the same stuff as the rest of the roasters.

I dunno, though. It was a dumb thing to say, especially for a guy who when he's let his guard down always seems like a nice guy. There's been some very sweat moments from him over the years. Its really disappointing.

Edited September 12, 2018 by IANdrewDiceClay

[ColinBollocks 1,012]

45 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Norm's getting all kinds of pelters at the minute for saying he's glad the #MeToo movement has slowed down. Truly a sad situation. He's brilliantly done another interview distancing himself from it all by saying "you'd have to have Down Syndrome not to feel sorry for the victims." An incredible apology.

Yeah. I've honestly been on a tad of a downer over it. The best you can argue for him is he made some really clumsy points that are a weird blend of compassion, insensitivity and stupidity. His sincerity since shows it wasn't shtick - although I can understand why people could feel that way if they followed Norm's career closely, prior to all the apologies.

I'm going to listen to the Stern interview before having a go, but aye the "down syndrome" line wasn't smart considering.

I was actually thinking of creating a Norm thread yesterday (what with his new show), but then all this happened.

It sucks when your heroes let you down, particularly when you assume they're above all this. Your move Hanks.

Edited September 12, 2018 by ColinBollocks

[Devon Malcolm 6,317]

34 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

I think it pisses you off when it's someone whose work you adore because there is such a connection you make to the films, it's like you think they must share the same values as you.  Dunno if that makes sense.

It absolutely does. But then I think about how much I love a few of Roman Polanski's films and it barely registers with me when watching them what he's done. Maybe it's because all this is going on now and I wasn't quite around when he did Chinatown or anything.

[Accident Prone 2,699]

12 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

I think it pisses you off when it's someone whose work you adore because there is such a connection you make to the films, it's like you think they must share the same values as you.  Dunno if that makes sense.

Absolutely makes sense.

I believe that it's going to happen a lot more in the future and it's going to cause a big divide between those of us who can drop a loved personality and those who refuse to. 

In my opinion, now matter how much I can love an artist, supporting the victims is a lot more important in the grand scheme of things. It will be hard though. I enjoyed CK's stand up but I dropped him like a dime. I don't feel like my life is emptier without him or House Of Cards in my life anymore. However, I can admit that I still listen to Brand New and As I Lay Dying, so I'm not perfect when it comes to these situations. 

[Bellenda Carlisle 1,154]

I just told forum member Fox Piss to buy and read Norm's amazing book a couple of weeks ago, sorry about the timing FP!

[Guy Bifkin 423]

12 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

I think it pisses you off when it's someone whose work you adore because there is such a connection you make to the films, it's like you think they must share the same values as you.  Dunno if that makes sense.

For what it's worth I still think Gary Glitter's Rock 'n Roll pt2 is one of the best pop songs ever. 

[Uncle Zeb 525]

It's a cloudy issue, but I generally don't think there's a need to feel guilty or dirty for enjoying someone's films or music or whatever just because they've been outed as a bit of a shit human being overall. You can make the moral choice to stop financially supporting them, but what you like is what you like.

There will be times when someone has repulsed you so much that anything associated with them is automatically tainted in your mind and you're no longer capable of enjoying them. And that's fine. But don't beat yourself up if that souring hasn't occurred. It's likely that the work they've created is an expression of the more positive side to their personalities, the part we can all relate to, overshadowed though it might have become by the negative traits that are rightly scorned.

[Keith Houchen 8,762]

Yeah I think it's a personal thing, isn't it.  I mean, I don't want to sound all Harmonic Carbomb here, (apologies @HarmonicGenerator and @Carbomb) but I love the paintings of Caravaggio but he was a murderer and most likely a woofter who liked them young.  Can overlook the killing and pederasty but the gayness is a brush too far.

[Hannibal Scorch 1,035]

14 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said:

Ahh, didn't see that, sorry mate.

I don't know why this one has bothered me so much. I mean, they all do, but it hasn't stopped me from watching stuff with people involved in stuff like this, whether rightly or wrongly. I'd been looking forward to The Predator for months but all this has blown up and I've lost all enthusiasm for it. It's just awful that only Jacob Tremblay has stood up for Olivia Munn on this, a bloody 11 year old kid.

Thankfully Stirling K Brown and Boyd Holbrook put out statements over the weekend and Shane Black has also now apologized as well https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2018/09/13/director-shane-black-gets-visibly-choked-up-responding-to-olivia-munn-predator-controversy/23525862/

[IANdrewDiceClay 5,308]

Norm was on the View today. He's upset about it all.

 

[ColinBollocks 1,012]

Did he drop his famous fist full of Xanax during the interview?

I don't know how you don't end up a little overwhelmed by some of the responses. Particularly when you hear about some of the producers on the Tonight Show openly weeping by his mere presence (which is a little mad). As Norm points out, he said some things he feels were taken out of context rather than being a genuinely evil person, and given some of the responses you'd imagine he was Pete Townsend.

Hopefully he can now go on and live a happy life as a deeply closeted gay man.

[Keith Houchen 8,762]

Christ allfuckingmighty.  I've just realised that for the whole time I've been thinking you were on about George Wendt.

[SpursRiot2012 396]

I love Norm and was saddened by his comments but his explanations for his couple of faux pas lately seem to be pretty genuine, and I'd like to believe that they are. I'm not sure I entirely get what he's saying about Hardwick and #MeToo exactly, though.

Edited September 13, 2018 by SpursRiot2012

[ColinBollocks 1,012]

9 hours ago, SpursRiot2012 said:

I'm not sure I entirely get what he's saying about Hardwick and #MeToo exactly, though.

With the Hardwick case, an ex accused him of all manner of horrendous abuse, which lead to Hardwick almost immediately losing all his big gigs and, obviously, being labeled a terrible person. As the weeks went on, evidence came out (text messages and what not) and AMC carried out an investigation with a law firm, which ended with them supporting Hardwick not being a monster and he got his jobs back. Whether Hardwick did those awful things, no one truly knows apart from the two involved, but Norm's point is you must be careful to hear both sides ("due process" as Joy butted in with) before ending a persons career because of an accusation.

Of course, his point is a very very tricky subject to debate, because everyone knows how awful it must be to come forward against personal abuse and have people discredit you. Particularly when you've got horrible people like Roxanne Pallett on the telly making it harder.

Edited September 14, 2018 by ColinBollocks
Hardrick is yer uncle.

[SuperBacon 2,228]

Literally the first time in my life I've ever heard of this Norm chap. Who is he?