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14 minutes ago, ReturnOfTheMack said:

Will that split the GOP vote, keeping both MAGA and GOP out? 

In theory it could. Of course it all depends on how well Joe Biden does between now and November 2024*, but even if the Republicans lost say 1 in 5 votes from what they got in this recent election to a MAGA party candidate, fighting amongst themselves could only more distance between them and how ever many vote Democrate. 

*Assuming he doesn’t snuff it beforehand 

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So here's what to look for if you watch on TV. The Very Basics If Biden wins huge, we could get an "official" call during tonight. If Biden wins clearly/comfortably it may well be clear

Is it Tildeguy? 

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1 hour ago, tiger_rick said:

I think that's why there are people so keen to see him impeached, to stop him running in the future. I definitely see a TRUMP/MAGA party running next time.

I think the danger has always been that whatever comes after Trump from the "MAGA" base could be far worse, more embedded in the far-right and the QAnon conspiracy nonsense.

The question comes down to whether support for Trump has been purely a cult of personality, or whether it's a political movement that lives beyond him. Given how many people have thrown aside Fox News, and former Trump loyalists, the moment they speak out against him, maybe it is just Trump, and all of this will fall back into the lunatic fringe where it belongs, and the worst of the Republican Party will continue to agitate from the sidelines but largely still just get behind whichever candidates the GOP choose to put forward.

That's really the best case scenario, but I don't see it. Trump has moved the acceptable face of the Republican Party further to the right, so that someone to the right of say, John McCain or Mitt Romney, can easily be presented as a centrist, acceptable candidate just by being "better" than Donald Trump. He's also revealed a genuine appetite for far-right politics in America that's always been there, but generally not openly indulged on a national scale. 

If there's one thing the right wing in America don't like, it's the feeling of having something they feel they're owed taken from them. "Don't take our guns", "we won't be replaced", white supremacy, it's all about the fear of losing their stranglehold on American culture. Now they've had a taste of being pandered to, they're not just going to accept it and go away. A country that can frame Joe Biden, the most mediocre blank slate politician imaginable, as a dangerous Communist even while he openly courts Republican support, is a country that still has a serious appetite for far-right leadership and isn't going to just go away quietly. 

A lot of my friends are convinced that we'll see a split in the Republican Party and that the vote will be split in such a way to effectively guarantee Democrat governance for years to come. But I'm not so confident. It's an idea that's dependent on the same hopes for "moderate Republicans" to do the right thing that people clung to since Trump got the nomination, and those Good Republicans have been pretty fucking quiet these past four years.

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The problem with a Trump Party for me is who funds it?

Trump's fucked financially and no one else is going to touch it. It'll be reliant on donations from supporters and/or dodgy donations from abroad. I don't see that being close to enough to crack the two party system, especially if major companies refuse to air their adverts, host their websites, collect donations, etc. All of which seems very likely. Corporate America wants fuck all to do with this revolution shit.

The best case scenario for them politically is being America's answer to the Brexit Party. Charging "Patriots" $50 each to join protests, etc.

The real problem is outside of politics. We're definitely going to see more terror attacks, or at least attempts at them. This is reality for a lot of these people. They aren't simply going to go away. They are going to splinter though because it's going to be much much harder for them to communicate. Attacks will also make it less likely for them to be accepted as a legitimate political force. 

Fuck knows how it actually ends though. I can't see anything less than a full confession from Trump doing it and, even then, I'm sure they will come up with ways to keep the lie going.

I don't buy the comparisons to the end of the Weimar Republic though. Germany was on it's arse after World War One and that played a massive part in the Nazi's rise. While America is far from perfect, it's nowhere near that level. The Democrats DO need to spend the next four years productively though. They've got no excuses now.

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I think getting funding would be the easiest part. Trump's supporters love throwing him cash and a lot of them are wealthy (Chris Jericho would probably chuck him 20 grand). And he's got the Evangelists behind him and they have a lot of money to throw around. He will never crack the two party system, but he will make enough cash to keep himself out of prison and have enough support that he'll still have a lot of influence on the Republican party because if he takes his base with him that's a huge loss of votes for the Republicans. Throw in speaking events, books and some kind of media company and he will be able to pay off his debts and stay out of prison.

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The revolution can certainly count on a solid $1000 from the American tight arse himself. 

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1 minute ago, Gay as FOOK said:

The revolution can certainly count on a solid $1000 from the American tight arse himself. 

After it’s been laundered at least a dozen times and we find out that it actually came from the tip jars at Turnberry.
 

I don’t see him having any issues in raising funds, mainly because he won’t care where that money comes from and there is a vested interest in keeping America fucked. It’ll be interesting to see if he launches his own media platforms, it’ll be his only way of staying relevant but could also be a financial clusterfuck as I don’t see how they could ever make any advertising revenue, I’m sure it won’t stop his ego from convincing him to give a go though, provided someone else picks up the tab. 

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I’ve always thought they’d never break from the GOP but the way Ya’ll Qaeda have been slagging off republicans as well makes me think they might. It’s like the militia of the Tea Party. Scary stuff, but I’m hoping the all become ultra isolationist and we don’t have to bother hearing from ever again. 

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55 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

I think getting funding would be the easiest part. Trump's supporters love throwing him cash and a lot of them are wealthy (Chris Jericho would probably chuck him 20 grand). And he's got the Evangelists behind him and they have a lot of money to throw around. He will never crack the two party system, but he will make enough cash to keep himself out of prison and have enough support that he'll still have a lot of influence on the Republican party because if he takes his base with him that's a huge loss of votes for the Republicans. Throw in speaking events, books and some kind of media company and he will be able to pay off his debts and stay out of prison.

Trump went on the beg the day after Biden was declared the winner. This headline gives you an idea of what to expect https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-legal-effort-fundraising-recount-election-2024-b1766547.html and this was to help him overturn the result. If he wanted to start a new party, they would happily pay him money again. I reckon if he was serious though, he would probably get Eric or Trump Jr to be the nominee with him as VP

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23 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

I’ve always thought they’d never break from the GOP but the way Ya’ll Qaeda have been slagging off republicans as well makes me think they might. It’s like the militia of the Tea Party. Scary stuff, but I’m hoping the all become ultra isolationist and we don’t have to bother hearing from ever again. 

This could be the comeback Glenn Beck's been waiting for!

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9 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

he would probably get Eric or Trump Jr to be the nominee with him as VP

It would be Ivanka, in my opinion.  She was one of his top advisors and they can play into the whole international diplomacy that she's been a part of.  Plus she is the pin up for GOP types, one of the few women they'd actually vote for.  However, she is married to a jew so that might not work.

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5 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

It would be Ivanka, in my opinion.  She was one of his top advisors and they can play into the whole international diplomacy that she's been a part of.  Plus she is the pin up for GOP types, one of the few women they'd actually vote for.  However, she is married to a jew so that might not work.

They will ignore the jew thing. If they can have a satisfying wank imagining their patriot goddesses decked out in sexy tactical gear then they'll happily vote for them. Thats why you see morons like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene elected.

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5 minutes ago, neil said:

They will ignore the jew thing. If they can have a satisfying wank imagining their patriot goddesses decked out in sexy tactical gear then they'll happily vote for them. Thats why you see morons like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene elected.

And if you fancy going a bit old school, Sarah Palin.

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Just now, johnnyboy said:

And if you fancy going a bit old school, Sarah Palin.

Too liberal mate.

Also this Goodfellas/Layla coda mashup is wonderful 

 

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