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TUF Finale: Mighty Mouse vs Some Ham 'n' Egger - Dec 3


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but after seeing who it is, and considering I've not watched the series...fucking ridiculous is all i can say.

Lamby, perhaps you should have watched it before labelling it ridiculous.

 

 

I don't have to watch the show for a second to know it's ridiculous Egg. It's ridiculous for the reason Shane put in his spoilers. 

 

And whilst I won't write the guy's name in case someone does get spoiled, and this could be deemed a spoiler too so possible spoilers ahead, the guy was fired from the UFC just over a year ago after losing 4 of his 6 fights in his only stint in the UFC.

 

When I heard the concept of the show, I was hoping they were going around the world picking out some unknown champion providing some mystery for Johnson to figure out. David and I put earlier there was something fascinating about an opponent who we knew little to nothing about.

 

Now for me, the mystery isn't there now. I've seen the guy fight already for the UFC and been beaten several times. 

 

I don't begrudge the guy his position though. He's earned it fair and square through the show. It's just disappointing knowing we are getting a guy who's been beaten by other guys still currently fighting in the UFC flyweight division. 

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well, fuck it, it's out there now.

 

I see your point, but Elliott entered the show and he's won it fair and square, if any of those guys were more worthy a challenger for Johnson they would have beaten him on the show. You're basing your opinion on what you are reading on paper. He walked through the challengers on the show, why not get caught up in the fact that this is a guy who's gone out, got re-motivated and fought his way back to earn his shot at the Champ.

 

Will he win? unlikely. But Elliott is a tricky, unorthodox fighter who could give Johnson issues.

 

Remember Matt Serra? anything can happen :crazy:

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well, fuck it, it's out there now.

 

I see your point, but Elliott entered the show and he's won it fair and square, if any of those guys were more worthy a challenger for Johnson they would have beaten him on the show. You're basing your opinion on what you are reading on paper. He walked through the challengers on the show, why not get caught up in the fact that this is a guy who's gone out, got re-motivated and fought his way back to earn his shot at the Champ.

 

Will he win? unlikely. But Elliott is a tricky, unorthodox fighter who could give Johnson issues.

 

Remember Matt Serra? anything can happen :crazy:

 

I completely agree. You never know. As you say perhaps he's reinvented himself, got involved with an incredible coach when he was away from the UFC and changed his game completely.

 

I just got caught up in this unknown element and then when the face was added to the poster this morning when I woke up, I was thinking fucking Tim Elliott? I've seen him several times already in the UFC. It just took a lot of the excitement away for me.

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yeh, i see your point in that regard. The whole concept of the show was to find someone new, but the UFC knew that by including a couple of UFC vets, they risked this happening.

 

If you'd watched the show though you'd have seen that there was some legit prospects in there and Elliott did well to get through the field (granted i missed the last couple of episodes but that's cause of the poxy spoilers). I imagine a good portion of the fighters involved will end up in the UFC.

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Well I'm underwhelmed. Tim Elliott? I didn't even know he was on this TUF.

 

I hear the argument that he might've improved but I don't really buy that he's improved significantly to the point that we should give him even a sniff of pulling this upset off. He last fought in the UFC in February 2015. Why should I believe he's massively improved in that short a time just because he's racked up a few wins in Titan FC and on TUF? He was a decent fighter in the middle of the pack at flyweight in the UFC. Every single time he stepped up he lost.

 

We'll see what happens. I'd love to be proven wrong and he makes a good fight of it. But I really, really, really can't see it. He's got fuck all for Mighty Mouse, IMO. I know that would've been the same with probably any other 125lb man on the planet but at least if it was someone we'd never heard of there'd be that bit of mystery and intrigue there. Mighty Mouse vs Tim Elliott is a 2014 flyweight title fight, just with a convoluted TUF build up.

 

DJ by whatever he wants. Whatever he fucking wants.

 

Edit - and I'm leaving the thread title as is. Bobby The Brain wouldn't respect this chump so he's Tim 'Ham 'n' Egg' Elliott to me now.

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He's the new 'Some Fucker'.

 

Does Tim Elliott winning just show the lack of depth at 125 though? or is Elliott a guy who rightfully deserves the slot he's in?

 

I mean you can do MMA Math on it all day. A guy was beaten in the first round of the TUF tournament (Brandon Moreno) got a late call to a UFC event and put away a top 10 ranked flyweight in under 3 minutes (Lois Smolka), Moreno was also seeded as the lowest ranked fighter on the entire show. I know the math doesn't work, but it just goes to show the order of things at Flyweight is a bit all to cock.

 

Elliott beat 4 of the top 16 non-UFC Flyweights in 6 weeks and earned his shot. What else can you say? He entered and he won so here we are. That aside, Tim Elliott is a lot of a fun to watch fight, he's pretty wild in there and does some unorthodox stuff, it may take that kind of fighter to unsettle Mighty Mouse, who's been handing more conventional fighters with ease. Elliott offers a different kind of challenge in that sense.

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I just don't see it with Elliott. He's not a shit fighter by any stretch but I can't see how the hell he wins this. Literally all he's got going for him is that he's unorthodox. Benavidez was the all-rounder with good wrestling, decent power and a slick guillotine. Dodson was lightning quick with pretty awkward movement and was a rare case of a flyweight with a KO punch. Bagautinov was the physically strong grinder who was also gassed during their fight. Horiguchi was another dangerous striker with a decent amount of power and a tricky karate style. Cejudo was the Olympic gold medal winning wrestler who had the confidence of being undefeated going in. Elliott's got ham and eggs and a bit of herky jerky movement. That's it. And the last time I saw him he looked like a starving garden gnome. I don't remember him being particularly powerful or lethal with submissions or anything. So chances of him finishing Johnson by KO or sub are thinner than Prince William's hair. So his best bet is to take a decision off Mighty Mouse. Yeah, I'll be amazed if he pulls this off. I think it genuinely might surpass Bisping's win over Rockhold as the biggest upset of 2016. And maybe the biggest since Serra vs GSP.

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been hyping this one up for myself today. Listened to Jorge Masvidal over on MMAJunkie radio, reminded me of why he's one of my favorite fighters, proper no-nosence street guy. Masvidal doesn't hold back when he's talking about his business. Love his style in the cage too, if Masvidal ramped up the aggression he'd probably be a real crowd favorite, he just fails to pull that trigger at times and seems to fight to the level of his opponent. I see him wrecking Ellenberger though. I think it's the kind of fight where all Ellenberger has is a punchers chance, he may have a stronger opening round but i think it's a Masvidal win all day.

 

The other fight that intrigues me is Maynard/Hall. Maynard is 1-0 at 145 but that doesn't disguise that he was one of the great falls in the sport. Against Hall hes fighting a guy who he should have all the physical and skill advantage against except for that one ace that Hall has which is his BJJ. I love a specialist like Hall. Interesting fight.

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It seems we disagree on a fair few fighters/promoters, Ebb. Because I've never liked Masvidal. I think you're spot on about his fighting style though. I often feel like he's capable of a lot more than he shows. He can be a bit frustrating to watch at times because when he does let loose he looks like a genuine top guy. But other times he seems content to just do the bare minimum. I think he's been better to watch since he's gone up to 170 though.

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