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While I agree that RVD was getting big reactions in that September/October period, would putting the belt on him instead of Jericho have done anything to stop the return of HHH though. Not to sound like one of dem, but I don’t think it would’ve made one iota of difference whether the belt was on Jericho, RVD or anyone else, HHH was winning the belt at Wrestlemania

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You also have to bear in mind that the WWF back in 2001 had an embarrassment of riches, talent-wise - not just in terms of who was currently on their roster, but the free agents they also had access to later. When you have Austin, The Rock, Triple H, The Undertaker, Kane, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Big Show, and DDP, you have Hogan, Hall, Nash coming in later, then maybe even later Steiner and Goldberg, plus you have up-and-comers like Cena, Orton, Batista, and Lesnar, and people you think are going to be main-event but are later proven wrong about like Test, O'Haire, or Jindrak, it probably becomes difficult to see where someone like RVD fits in other than in the tag or midcard wowing the crowd with the fancy stuff with the Hardys and Rey Mysterio.

EDIT: Also, given his open and prolific weed habit, they probably thought there were plenty other, more reliable people they could stick in the main without any potential repercussions.

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For me at the time RVD was still a notch beneath even Angle and Jericho crowd responses aside, this was the view of a 14 year old boy. He was also very much an unproven commodity for the WWF at the time and I doubt even if they had decided to do the switch it would have been anything positive. 

Jericho filled a heel role against Triple H, the two had had a barnstormer a couple of years earlier so on paper a Mania match would have been a great idea. Sadly it was the weakest of all their matches in my opinion. Although it's been years since I watched that one.

Although not the initial plan, Hogan took the belt of Triple H in short order, an RVD/Hogan match fits even less and is definitely not something I would want to see. 

Then you needed the title on Rock in short order to put over Brock at Summerslam which still required a hot potato situation from Hogan to Taker to Rock but essentially made Lesnar as a maineventer.

Instead I reckon the timing was better in 2002 when it was rumored he was unifying the titles on Raw to end up taking the new World Title. A tournament final of some sorts Vs Triple H at Unforgiven/ No Mercy would have been far better, keeping the belt into 2003, winning the Elimination chamber while Shawn and Triple H slug it out in non title matches elsewhere on the card. 

 

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In 2001, they still had the mess of the invasion to work through. There wasn’t an opportunity to properly establish a new top babyface in that environment. Plus RVD couldn’t cut promos and was pissing everyone off by kicking their heads in, so even if the company had decided on running with him, it would’ve been really short lived before they went back to a proven commodity.

At best, he’d have ended up a transitional top babyface holding the fort until HHH came back

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One for the "things that make you feel old" pile. Was thinking about the original One Night Stand earlier. That show was 4 years after ECW closed - which felt like a lifetime. This year, it's 15 years ago. Feels like 5 minutes.

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I really wish I could give a shit about Bea, she looks like a superstar but then she wrestles and does what she thinks a heel should but it seems so forced and cartoony.

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That's exactly it - everything she does feels like it's what she thinks a heel wrestler would do, rather than anything that comes naturally to her. Everything feels forced and mechanical, and then she peppers it with spots far too ambitious for her ability. When you see her booked on the same card as Jamie Hayter, who does basically everything Bea does but with confidence, you realise quite how bad she is.

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Funnily enough she's now teaming with Hayter in Stardom (despite them being in different factions) and I wouldn't be shocked if they win the tag belts in the future.

Hopefully she's booted out of Queen's Quest (faction founded by Io Shirai) sooner rather than later.

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Shawn Michaels was retired 4 years from Mania 14 until SummerSlam 2002. And ECW died in in 2001 and One Night Stand was in 2005. Those 4 years seemed to last forever. Like when ECW did the one off, it seemed as if they were running regularly in a completely different era. And Shawn showing up in 2002 was like he'd been away for about a decade.

Shinsuke Nakamura and AJ Styles turned up 4 years ago. The Broken Matt stuff started in 2016 as well. In that 4 years Shawn was injured, you could have fit AJ Styles WWE career in it.

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The Rock only had 4 full years in the WWF, 97, 98, 99, 2000. Came in late in 96 and went after WM17. Was back for short and medium spells after that but was never full time again. More memorable moments and matches in those 4 years than most 30 year careers.

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24 minutes ago, CavemanLynn said:

What is it that keeps today's guys around so long? Different contracts? Lower pay? Ego?

Until quite recently, I'd say a lack of other viable, secure jobs. With the rise of AEW, NJPW etc there might be more guys willing to try their luck elsewhere rather than comfortably staying with the status quo (not the band) in WWE.

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Softer rings, better conditioning, less steroids, less recreational drugs. Plus WWE haven't had serious competition for most of the last 20 years, apart from TNA for a bit until they Russo'd themsleves off a major channel. So apart from Japan, there wasn't really anywhere for them to go. 

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