Paid Members ElCece Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 Depends on what you mean by worth a shit. Where do you place that bar? Jake is probably the best shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I reckon we can safely excuse lack of technicality or crispness of execution if they regularly got in-ring reactions out of crowds, I haven't watched enough Jake matches to know if that's the case or not with him, but I know his psychology is well regarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 I reckon we can safely excuse lack of technicality or crispness of execution if they regularly got in-ring reactions out of crowds, I haven't watched enough Jake matches to know if that's the case or not with him, but I know his psychology is well regarded. Mostly by him. Â Ramon is preposterous. For a start, he's a better worker than he is a talker in the Ramon character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 Where do you place that bar? Well if Jake's involved, anywhere where serves after half 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 When people start chucking Razor Ramon's name into this discussion (without elaborating, no less), you know it's fucked. Honestly, that's a mental suggestion. Â Sj, you'd assume given his demeanour that Jake would be quite the decent psychological and methodical wrestler, being very clever in picking his opponent apart and getting into their head. Unfortunately, this wasn't the case and he was shite. Really is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkchopcash Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I love that in a thread where Godfather and Nathan Jones are named, you pick on Raven. Compared to those two, Raven is Roddy Piper. But do they or anyone else claim they were good talkers? Before this thread i mean. Raven thinks he is some sort of wrestling genuise and cut all these great promo's. He didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 This thread isn't about guys who weren't as good as they thought themselves to be. Raven was a good and sometimes very good talker and a pretty decent worker, not amazing at either but a real solid hand who was the main part of some of the best midcard segments during his WCW run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members quote the raven Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 Im am about as big a mark for Raven as anyone here/  He was on his day a great promo guy. However he even admits he would sometimes phone it in rather than work his ass off. He calls them his "lazy years"   Hes not in the class of Shit for being unable more shit because he wanted to be.   Edit....  Scott hall made this thread?.........wow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love-Wilcox Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Raven has cut plenty of great promos and had plenty of great matches. Just no. Â My pick would be Ernest "The Cat" Miller. I found him to be incredibly entertaining on the mic but I can't recall him being in anything above an average match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 Shane Douglas? Â People have argued if he was ever that good a promo (i liked him), but he was a classic case of having his matches not live up to the hype created by his promos going in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PunkStep Posted October 23, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 23, 2016 Butch will testify how great a promo Shane Douglas was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted October 24, 2016 Paid Members Share Posted October 24, 2016 Luther Reigns? I seem to recall him reeling off some surprisingly articulate promos etc when he was associated with Kurt Angle & Mark Jindrak, but have little recollection of his ring work. He was obviously given the job because of Vince's thing about big, tall fellas but didn't last very long so obviously did something wrong. He looked like he should have shouted and ranted about everything, but had a really measured tone. Â <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DO4WJL2kr-U"frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wright Mark Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 razor ramon Please explain why as this has baffled me. Because Ramon had some crackers in the 90's with Michaels, Hart (with a fucked knee no less), Diesel, Jarrett and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffer Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Ric Flair used to drive me crazy insisting that Ramon was a useless worker, too. Although that was his 2002-2008 'everyone but Hunter and Shawn are horseshit' phase where he routinely slammed any one of the sixty or so people who hurt his feelings in WCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonmist Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I used to think Vampiro was good on the Mic in WCW (I loved his character at least )but I am sure any matches were average at best. I believe he has a very high opinion of himself also a bit like Konnan. Â I read an interview once with Konnan where he says he taught Bret the sharpshooter. Saying he wanted to do what Sting can do and Konnan saying he would show him. Surely thescorpian death lock/sharpshooter cannot be so difficult that he couldn't have worked it out for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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